"Guess I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue..."
Ok people, I've been knee-deep in crackpot land (or crack and pot, you may soon think)flipping through the books trying to figure out what Martin is doing with this Aerys/Tywin/Joanna thing, and haven't found much info to support if there is anything to it or not, but am convinced he's giving a subtle nod in that direction...red herring though it may be.
I just wanted to expand on what I stumbled over earlier(see pg 157) and throw it out for mass consideration.
(If you don't like where this is going, skip it. If you continue to read, don't reply with "stupid" or "dumb" unless you can support your argument with evidence from the text, NOT simply opinion or because "it makes my butt hurt to think about")
Jaime's dream about the blonde woman still bugs me, because of all the hoopla made over virtually EVERY other dreams/ visions mentioned in the series. Why would GRRM expect us to take this one at face value, Joanna weeping for her kids' sacrifices to be where Tywin wanted them? I really think there's more to it - especially when Martin follows that up in the next Jaime chapter with Tywin's own sister saying "Tyrion is Tywin's son, but not you"...sure, in context I know what she's saying...but Martin likes to betray context all the time. Why did Martin tell us of Aerys's lusting after Joanna at all? And then have Tywin resign as Hand and move family back to Casterly Rock? Then, when he returns, he has Jaime not only kill Aerys, but attempt to end the Targ line completely in the most savage and brutal way possible? Do you believe that a man who would allow a garrison of soldiers to rape his son's (and surely numbero uno heir to the fortune of Casterly Rock) wife, while he watched, then make him rape her, too, wouldn't order what the Mountain did to Rhaegar's wife and kids?
I have a hard time justifying this kind of hatred/ rage comes from a rejected betrothal? Or Aerys' appointing Jaime to the KG at 17?
When the Reynes flat out DEFIED their Leige Lord (a crime similar to treason), Tywin responded as he did for the EXAMPLE he needed to set for the other bannermen...He had MOTIVE, then, but still did not deal with the traitors in nearly the savage way he dealt with the Targs. He had to have more motive...Tywin was cruel, but very intelligent.
A couple of us have a huge dislike of the idea that Tyrion could be a Targ by Aerys...doesn't make it impossible though, at all. Now, I'm seeing that the twins are just as possible to NOT be by Tywin...speaking for myself,I'm pretty sure of only one thing for certain:
At least one of the Lannisters, maybe two, are not Tywin's.
A couple of things make me look at the twins -
-Hasn't Martin drilled it into us ad-nauseum that incest is an exclusively Targaryen practice? Not even a whisper of it from the histories of ANY other house in Westeros, not even rumors...except for these two? Is it really just pure coincidence?
-The argument has been made that there is even less doubt about the twins being Tywin's than Tyrion...why is that? because their legitimacy has not been questioned before? Their amazing physical perfection (Martin tells us again, many times, a very Targaryen trait, as recent as the new Arienne chapter)and blonde hair obviously makes them Lannisters...or does it? Maybe Tywin never questioned it himelf, even. Why would he?
- If Tywin knew he'd become a cuckold, he'd never admit it...but if he knew, or suspected...how sweet it must've been to know Aerys' own brood killed him, at Tywin's command?
-Isn't it interesting how Jaime and Cersei have always represented both sides of the proverbial Targaryen coin flipped by the gods at birth, madness and greatness? Especially to see that as time passes, each continues to polarize in these opposite directions? To take it further, how Joffrey continued this trait? Tommen and Myrcella, time will tell...
-As I said, I think one of them at least is not a Lannister, if not two. My guess at this point is that Tyrion is the red herring in this crakpot theory...he's maybe the true Lannister after all.
But the twins, being opposite sexes and therefore fraternal
, by definition could have 2 different fathers. I don't see this having much plot value if true...unless one of them is the real 3rd head of the Dragon (pausing to re-load crack pipe)Not sure I could even talk myself into buying that one, honestly.
More than likely, this is one of those things that Martin never intends to elaborate on, much less resolve...but fun to consider all possible scenarios. Before we all freak out, remember I'm just pointing out the possibility
not taking an all-out stand based on some want for this to be fact
Have at it...
This post was edited on 1/16 at 12:53 pm