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One question about Penn St. penalties that I haven't heard asked...
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:59 pm
All the penalties levied against them, as far as the institutional side of the house that covered it up (i.e. the $60 Mil fine, the compliance committee, etc.) I understand completely.
The question that I haven't heard asked, and it seems was disregarded by the NCAA powers that made the decision, is this...
What role did the FOOTBALL PLAYERS play in the cover up?
If the answer is nothing, then why is it that the football program is being punished, current and furture players included?
I can see vacating wins from Paterno's record, because that is just symbolic punishment of a man who was involved in the cover up, and beyond that, the players in those games know that regardless of the wins being vacated that they won those games. But Scholarship sanctions like we haven't seen before? Bowl bans?
How does this punish anyone but the players and current coach that had nothing at all to do with the cover up?
I just can't justify that no matter how I look at it. Could anyone on here maybe justify it? I just don't see it...
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The question that I haven't heard asked, and it seems was disregarded by the NCAA powers that made the decision, is this...
What role did the FOOTBALL PLAYERS play in the cover up?
If the answer is nothing, then why is it that the football program is being punished, current and furture players included?
I can see vacating wins from Paterno's record, because that is just symbolic punishment of a man who was involved in the cover up, and beyond that, the players in those games know that regardless of the wins being vacated that they won those games. But Scholarship sanctions like we haven't seen before? Bowl bans?
How does this punish anyone but the players and current coach that had nothing at all to do with the cover up?
I just can't justify that no matter how I look at it. Could anyone on here maybe justify it? I just don't see it...
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Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:01 pm to DByrd2
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If the answer is nothing, then why is it that the football program is being punished, current and furture players included?
You obviously haven't read a single fricking thread.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:01 pm to DByrd2
Players can leave without penalty. Any future players coming would do so with full knowledge. Coaches are all new and came to PSU knowing that major sanctions were likely, if not probable.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:01 pm to DByrd2
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If the answer is nothing, then why is it that the football program is being punished, current and future players included?
The players aren't being punished they can go where ever they want without sitting out a year
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:05 pm to DByrd2
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You obviously haven't read a single fricking thread.
This.
This has been answered about 1907279 different times in the last 36 hours.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:05 pm to DByrd2
They have to end the culture of giving the football team a free pass at Happy Valley, which is what got them in this mess in te first place. If they hadn't have brought down sanctions on the team, it would have re enforced this culture
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:07 pm to dawgfan24348
What about the ones who grew up knowing the only thing they wanted to do was play at Penn St.? And another angle on it is that they have a decision forced on them that is unnecessary.
Also, just because the coaches took a job knowing that sanctions were likely does not mean that those same sanctions are justified. Only a select few people were involved with the cover up, why do their actions have to affect people that had nothing to do with it?
And to the arse that said I didn't read a single thread,
.
Not all of us are on here 24 hrs. a fricking day you raging count.
Also, just because the coaches took a job knowing that sanctions were likely does not mean that those same sanctions are justified. Only a select few people were involved with the cover up, why do their actions have to affect people that had nothing to do with it?
And to the arse that said I didn't read a single thread,
. Not all of us are on here 24 hrs. a fricking day you raging count.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:07 pm to DByrd2
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One question about Penn St. penalties that I haven't heard asked...
Then you haven't been listening.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:07 pm to dawgfan24348
I think that it is horseshite that they are letting the entire team bail one month before the season begins. What's left of the team will be humiliated on the field.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:10 pm to Tiger1242
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They have to end the culture of giving the football team a free pass at Happy Valley, which is what got them in this mess in te first place. If they hadn't have brought down sanctions on the team, it would have re enforced this culture
I don't understand this thinking either. Not saying you are wrong, but I don't see how being "football first" had anything to do with it. Paterno had long been recognized as an icon when it came to doing things the right way, and obviously (and wrongly, I might add) wanted to keep that reputation going enough to keep this thing under wraps.
How is that on the players/new coaches?
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:11 pm to lsutigers1992
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I think that it is horse shite that they are letting the entire team bail one month before the season begins. What's left of the team will be humiliated on the field.
So you think the NCAA should force the players to stay at PSU, to spare the football team from getting beaten on the field?
If so then wow.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:12 pm to DByrd2
quote:
One question about Penn St. penalties that I haven't heard asked...
quote:
What role did the FOOTBALL PLAYERS play in the cover up?
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:15 pm to DByrd2
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Not all of us are on here 24 hrs. a fricking day you raging count.
Quit posting stupid shite then. You come on here starting a thread like its an original idea. Unbeknownst to you, since you haven't actually read ANY threads, your thought process has been discussed in every single thread. Then a majority of the people finally bring that idiot of the thread back to reality.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:19 pm to DByrd2
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What role did the FOOTBALL PLAYERS play in the cover up?
How is this question any different from any other time the NCAA puts a team on probation? What role did the current coaching staff and players at USC play in paying Reggie Bush? This is the way the NCAA has always dealt out punishment.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:23 pm to DByrd2
I don't understand how transferring freely to a school that doesn't condone child buttrape is considered a punishment. 
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:26 pm to medtiger
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What role did the current coaching staff and players at USC play in paying Reggie Bush? This is the way the NCAA has always dealt out punishment.
I understand that, but that's not to say that the USC punishment was justified as well. Unless of course Pete Carroll was there, and even then it doesn't justify that style of punishment. Strip wins, pull back the Heisman, punish the institution, not the athletic program in general.
If you just HAVE to punish anyone that had anything to do with it in the athletic department, punish those individuals DIRECTLY involved, and the compliance officers/school officials that knew about the issue. That's all I am saying.
And don't read threads about PSU if you already think you know what is going to be in them you internet tough-guy dipshites. Waste your time elsewhere.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:27 pm to DByrd2
The football coach molested children inside the football facilities while the head football coach turned his back to the facts. An assistant football coach witnessed the defensive coordinator of the football team having sexual relations whilst inside the shower of the football locker room.
All of this centered around football.
All of this centered around football.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:28 pm to genro
I am fairly certain they aren't passing out flyers advertising a kiddie buttsecks convention in Happy Valley.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:28 pm to DByrd2
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If the answer is nothing, then why is it that the football program is being punished, current and furture players included?
I agree.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:30 pm to DByrd2
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If you just HAVE to punish anyone that had anything to do with it in the athletic department, punish those individuals DIRECTLY involved, and the compliance officers/school officials that knew about the issue. That's all I am saying.
How? How do you punish Carroll? Bush? If you don't punish the program than all these programs have to do is pay a player, find out that the NCAA is looking into them, let go the offender, repeat.
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