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re: Spreadsheets of Basic and Advanced Stats for Potential Draftees

Posted on 5/17/12 at 6:52 pm to
Posted by VOR
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 6:52 pm to
nice work, guys
Posted by JayJay2
cane sweeeeeeet tea, Luzianne
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 7:38 pm to
thx sir
Posted by Fearthehat0307
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 7:41 pm to
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nice work, guys
anytime
Posted by RonFNSwanson
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 7:49 pm to
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 9:02 pm to
I'll try to do the same for guards and wings soon.
Posted by realtalk
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 9:22 pm to
HT is boring tonight
Posted by dgtiger3
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:02 pm to
I'll be honest, as awesome as it would be to get Davis, I will not be mad if T.Rob ends up being the guy we end up with.
It's seems to me that Rebounds tend to translate to the NBA as well as any other stat out there. Kevin Love, Dejuan Blair, and now Kenneth Faried all guys who were really effective college rebounders.
This post was edited on 5/17/12 at 10:05 pm
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:17 pm to
A real basketball post on Hornet Talk?

Well done.

I don't think blocks are overrated though. The mere threat of a shot blocker changes the way an offense operates. At the absolute worst a blocked shot is the equivalent of a missed shot, regardless of who retains possession. Toss in the fact that it changes possession sometimes and affects the way offenses operates and I'd say it's not overrated. If they were overrated then the whole world wouldn't be on Davis's nuts.
Posted by dgtiger3
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:26 pm to
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I don't think blocks are overrated though. The mere threat of a shot blocker changes the way an offense operates. At the absolute worst a blocked shot is the equivalent of a missed shot, regardless of who retains possession. Toss in the fact that it changes possession sometimes and affects the way offenses operates and I'd say it's not overrated. If they were overrated then the whole world wouldn't be on Davis's nuts.


This.

Shots altered is a really important stat but not something that is widely kept up with. A guy that is "known" as a shot blocker but still racks up blocks like Davis is being very efficient in their shot blocking oppurtunities. Not too many people challenging him down low after one or two shots get stuffed back down their throats.
Posted by floridatigah
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:29 pm to
Blocks translate best, but rebounds are right up there

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Posted by dgtiger3
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:39 pm to
Awesome link.
Posted by drake20
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 11:59 pm to
shot blockers change how the offense acts too.

Posted by drake20
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/18/12 at 12:02 am to
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A block does not equal good defense.


not always...but another player like t rob could be playing great defense, and not be able to stop a guy from finishing over him
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/18/12 at 6:46 am to
A shot blocker is nice, but he also needs to be able to rebound to be useful. Some shot blockers actually make it easier on the offense as they're constantly out of position. Tyson Chandler is the best defensive center in the league and isn't known as a shot blocker.

Tell me, who is the best shot blocker in the NBA?
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 5/18/12 at 7:25 am to
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who is the best shot blocker in the NBA?


Hassan Whiteside? Screw these per 40 projections. He actually averaged 5.4 blocks in 26 minutes per game. Maybe Demps can trade a 2nd for him rather than use our 1st pick on Drummond.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 5/18/12 at 7:32 am to
I think the biggest problem is that the stat itself is flawed. Blocks obviously are useful and the threat of a block can be huge. But not every block has equal value, so just recording the number of blocks doesn't tell the whole picture. There need to be stats for something like Altered Shots and Block Result, which focuses on the offensive team's possession ending.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/18/12 at 8:14 am to
I just did the wings. Now I have to mow my lawn. The image is sorted by points per 40 minutes.



Also, sorted by:

Rebounds per 40:
1 Jae Crowder
2 Moe Harkless
3 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
4 Will Barton
5 Terrence Ross
6 Quincy Miller
7 Harrison Barnes
8 Hollis Thompson
9 Jeff Taylor
10 Khris Middleton
11 Kevin Murphy
12 Kris Joseph
13 Darius Miller

Assists per Turnover:
1 Kris Joseph
2 Khris Middleton
3 Quincy Miller
4 Darius Miller
5 Hollis Thompson
6 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
7 Kevin Murphy
8 Terrence Ross
9 Will Barton
10 Jae Crowder
11 Moe Harkless
12 Jeff Taylor
13 Harrison Barnes
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 5/21/12 at 10:40 am to
Finally got around to the guards:



Ranked by Assists per game:
1 Kendall Marshall
2 Scott Machado
3 Marquis Teague
4 Tyshawn Taylor
5 Tu Holloway
6 Trey Burke
7 Tony Wroten
8 Damian Lillard
9 J'Covan Brown
10 Dion Waiters
11 Orlando Johnson
12 Darius Johnson-Odom
13 Jared Cunningham
14 William Buford
15 Bradley Beal
16 Austin Rivers
17 Marcus Denmon
18 Doron Lamb
19 Jeremy Lamb
20 John Jenkins

Assist to Turnover:
1 Kendall Marshall
2 Scott Machado
3 Dion Waiters
4 Marquis Teague
5 Marcus Denmon
6 Damian Lillard
7 Trey Burke
8 Tu Holloway
9 J'Covan Brown
10 Tyshawn Taylor
11 Doron Lamb
12 William Buford
13 Orlando Johnson
14 Darius Johnson-Odom
15 Bradley Beal
16 Jared Cunningham
17 Tony Wroten
18 Austin Rivers
19 Jeremy Lamb
20 John Jenkins
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/21/12 at 10:45 am to
Orlando Johnson stood out at the predraft workout in Jersey.

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Owens was followed closely by Orlando Johnson at 34 inches. Johnson may have had the best all-around showing of any prospect in New Jersey, considering his strong measurements (6-11 wingspan) and the terrific scoring instincts he displayed in the five on five action.

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Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:53 pm to
Thanks!
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