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HempHead 
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| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:11 pm to Gmorgan4982)
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HempHead is going to Hell!
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GumboPot 
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| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:12 pm to joshnorris14)
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If someone masturbates on an isolated island and will never come into contact with you or any other person, how does that affect you.
Well if he dumps his load in the sea and the sperm finds the injured eye of a cod fish providing a medium for the growth of bacteria resulting in an infection, and the cod is subsequently caught by a Maine fisherman and said cod is processed into a Fish Filet for McDonald's and I subsequently consume the fish and contract food poisoning and die all because you wanted to beat off on a deserted island. 
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joshnorris14 
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| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:14 pm to GumboPot)
Nonsense... McDonald's fish isn't made from real fish.
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HempHead
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| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:16 pm to joshnorris14)
Only because real fish has been contaminated, thanks to sinful thought-provokers like Gmorgan.
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GumboPot
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| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:16 pm to joshnorris14)
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Nonsense... McDonald's fish isn't made from real fish.
I'm disappointed.
Wait, McDonald's lying just affected me negatively.
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catholictigerfan
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| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:17 pm to rpg37)
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If marriage is religious in nature
"a union between two people" is not a religious thing. I put it in quotes because that actually has a religious defeitnion as far as marital theology goes. But the marriage law int his country has no religious nature to it. Its just two people live together and file their taxes open bank accounts, along with other benefits together. It doesn't have the sacramental significance the Church believes it has. Someone can be legally married but not sacramentally married.
you are partially correct to say marriage is religious in nature. In the fact that most people now of days get married in a Church meaning many have the spiritual benefits of marriage. But when you discuss the gay marriage issue it is simply based on Governmental marriage not Sacramental marriage.
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lsu6294
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| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:17 pm to Blue Velvet)
I honestly can't understand why a person demands that the STATE recognize that marriage is between a man and a woman, man and man, whatever.
A wedding certificate is just a contract that allows two consenting adults to legally pool their resources while gaining certain benefits and sharing certain risks.
Marriage should be left to religious institutions (Hint: There are religions that accept and marry gays)
This is the way to solve the issue of civil rights; while keeping church and state separated. It is absurd that the STATE allows a man and a woman enjoy the risks and rewards of a civil marriage but not two males, or two females. This is a civil rights issue. Either allow all adults enter into a civil union, or do away with it all together, and no one wants that.
Marriage, and what it stands for, such as love, commitment and fidelity is an important part to the relationship and the wedding ceremony. However, it should not be an important part of a civil union. Two consenting adults should be able to enter into a civil union for whatever reason they want.
This post was edited on 5/9 at 11:18 pm
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Gmorgan4982
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| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:17 pm to HempHead)
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Only because real fish has been contaminated, thanks to sinful thought-provokers like Gmorgan.
Well, if it wasn't for people like me, McDonald's would get real fish and your Filet-O-Fish would be double the price.
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lsu6294
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| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:19 pm to catholictigerfan)
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"a union between two people" is not a religious thing. I put it in quotes because that actually has a religious defeitnion as far as marital theology goes. But the marriage law int his country has no religious nature to it. Its just two people live together and file their taxes open bank accounts, along with other benefits together. It doesn't have the sacramental significance the Church believes it has. Someone can be legally married but not sacramentally married.
you are partially correct to say marriage is religious in nature. In the fact that most people now of days get married in a Church meaning many have the spiritual benefits of marriage. But when you discuss the gay marriage issue it is simply based on Governmental marriage not Sacramental marriage.
All of this
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joshnorris14
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| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:20 pm to Gmorgan4982)
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Well, if it wasn't for people like me, McDonald's would get real fish and your Filet-O-Fish would be double the price.
In that case, you're too blame for those American girls in Paris making fools out of themselves by dining on inexpensive meals in front of international rap stars.
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GumboPot
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| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:21 pm to lsu6294)
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I honestly can't understand why a person demands that the STATE recognize that marriage is between a man and a woman, man and man, whatever.
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GumboPot
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| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/9/12 at 11:23 pm to Gmorgan4982)
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Well, if it wasn't for people like me, McDonald's would get real fish and your Filet-O-Fish would be double the price.
Dammit, I'm craving a Filet-O-Fish now.
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Blue Velvet 
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| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/10/12 at 12:53 am to rpg37)
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TN Bhoy 
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| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:22 am to Blue Velvet)
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DCRebel 
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| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/10/12 at 6:23 am to rpg37)
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The government should only have the ability to allow civil unions/contracts between individuals while only a church should be allowed to grant a wedding license.
So long as the legal impact is no different, then that's fine.
When you marry someone, there are all sorts of legal ramifications that take place. So long as a church-sponsored "marriage" and a state-sponsored "civil union" both provide for this, then that's fine, whatever. At this point, we're arguing over semantics.
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DCRebel
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| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/10/12 at 6:24 am to CarrolltonTiger)
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marriage isn't religious in nature, it is the method of the state to protecting a vital social interest: hetero sexual families
Nearly half of all legal heterosexual marriages in the US end in divorce. Yeah, the State's doing a bang-up job of protecting "hetero sexual families", aren't they?
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DCRebel
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| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/10/12 at 6:28 am to rpg37)
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I am a Catholic and believe this to be a sacrament of the religion that has been developed for hundreds of years.
Why is it that Christians seem to think that they both invented and currently hold authority over what is marriage?
People were getting married LONG before Jesus was ever born. People of other religious faiths, as well as people of no religious faith, get married all of the time all across the globe. Y'all don't own marriage.
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DCRebel
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| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/10/12 at 6:32 am to joshnorris14)
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Mesopitamians weren't getting married to please their gods before they procreated.
No, but ancient societies did practice marriage to legally enforce their wills. If two people were married, then it could be legally argued that the children of the relationship were indeed those of the two married people (obviously they didn't have DNA tests back then, so their only real option was to ensure that the woman was a virgin when she was married and never cheated). If the state recognized that the children of the couple were indeed theirs, an argument which they backed by legally recognizing their union, then the state could enforce the terms of the man's will.
This is one theory as to why the practice of marriage began.
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fearthemoomoo
LSU Fan
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Member since Dec 2007
1210 posts
| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/10/12 at 6:39 am to TN Bhoy)
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You could kill yourself now and save the wait.
this from the Catholic, way to be a hypocrite.
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DCRebel
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| re: If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment... (Posted on 5/10/12 at 6:42 am to catholictigerfan)
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you are partially correct to say marriage is religious in nature. In the fact that most people now of days get married in a Church meaning many have the spiritual benefits of marriage. But when you discuss the gay marriage issue it is simply based on Governmental marriage not Sacramental marriage.
I actually agree with catholictigerfan. I don't think that has ever happened before.
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