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re: Just beat Mass Effect 3 (Spoilers and bitchfest edition)
Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:36 pm to saintsfan92612
Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:36 pm to saintsfan92612
Ending sux. Tactical1 is a troll. Get together with your buddies drink some beer, smoke some weed and play multiplayer.
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Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:44 pm to Tom288
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Actually, this is just a giant plot hole.
Reapers leave some organic life alive.
New synthetics may not. Reapers ensure some organic life will always continue.
The whose line is it anyway/mass effect 3 meme is hilarious.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:51 pm to xXLSUXx
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Reapers ensure some organic life will always continue.
Reapers also ensure that organic life develops along a path that inevitably leads to the creation of synthetic life. It's a huge self-fulfilling prophecy.
The Reapers control how we evolve and what our technology is based on, and then say, "You see? We told you this would happen!"
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:11 pm to Tom288
I always knew the Reapers were douchebags.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:21 pm to xXLSUXx
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New synthetics may not. Reapers ensure some organic life will always continue.
This is pure speculation. We have no proof otherwise. Just in the last two cycles the Catalyst's logic has been proven false.
1. Javik specifically mentions that the Protheans were starting to win their own war against sythentics when the Reapers showed up to harvest them. The only reason the Protheans didn't win is because of the Reapers.
2. If you took the ultimate Paragon route you made peace between the now sentient Geth(genocide in the destroy ending) and the Quarians. If you didn't you could let the Quarians annihilate the entire Geth collective. Either scenario completely contradicts the Catalyst's main assertion that sythentics ALWAYS wipe out organics.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:23 pm to saintsfan92612
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The ending made absolutely zero sense. The mass relays explode no matter what you do. When the mass relays explode, billions and billions of people(and aliens) die. Everyone that lived fighting the Reapers are stuck in Sol-which cannot sustain that much life-if they somehow miraculously survive the gigantic destruction that a mass relay explosion causes. No matter what you do...it does not matter. The best thing you can hope for is that Liara, Joker, and EDI miraculously survive even through a mass relay before it explodes (even though they would never abandon Shepard so this makes no sense...) and Shepard's body takes a gasp of air
That's why I think the whole ending isn't real. It's in Shepards head. You think the writers who've spent years on this just had giant brain farts on two major issues?
1.) Relays exploding, essentially killing everyone anyway.
2.) People who died with you on Earth, somehow miraculously getting off on a spaceship on an unknown planet?
Combine that with: everything after the Reaper killing Hammer team plays through with no HUD. (just like the previous dream sequences in the game.) and seeing the child (which you've only ever seen in dreams). I think that's the only logical explanation other than the writers simply gave up and didn't care about their story.
Not saying I LIKE the ending. Don't get me wrong. Just trying to wrap my head around something that makes sense to me. And I could very well be wrong.
This post was edited on 5/8/12 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:26 pm to xXLSUXx
I do believe that the writers intended for this ending. Geoff Knightley released an app in which he discussed with the BioWare writers how they came around to the ending. Someone leaked the contents a while back and Mac Walters basically formulated the ending on the back of a napkin with "speculation" as the key ingredient.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:27 pm to xXLSUXx
My take was that Mac Walters and Casey Hudson thought that they didn't need any proof reading or peer review on their ending and when the shite hit the fan they acted like pussies.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:32 pm to DMagic
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My take was that Mac Walters and Casey Hudson thought that they didn't need any proof reading or peer review on their ending and when the shite hit the fan they acted like pussies.
I can tell you why this is true. Anyone who thought the Catalyst was a good plot device did not come up with something like the Indoctrination theory.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:33 pm to DMagic
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1. Javik specifically mentions that the Protheans were starting to win their own war against sythentics when the Reapers showed up to harvest them. The only reason the Protheans didn't win is because of the Reapers.
What about 50,000 years from then? When synthetic life would return, possibly even more efficient and stronger?
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2. If you took the ultimate Paragon route you made peace between the now sentient Geth(genocide in the destroy ending) and the Quarians. If you didn't you could let the Quarians annihilate the entire Geth collective. Either scenario completely contradicts the Catalyst's main assertion that sythentics ALWAYS wipe out organics.
Peace for what, three days? Again what about 10,000 years from now, or even 100 years from now, allowing them to aggressively outpace organic evolution? Eventually becoming way more powerful than organic life? And seeing organics as useless, contributing nothing to the advancement of synthetic life?
But I digress. This whole story/ending has really made me refocus on The Singularity is Near by Ray Kurzwiel (?). If you haven't read it, I suggest you do so.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:35 pm to xXLSUXx
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Peace for what, three days? Again what about 10,000 years from now, or even 100 years from now, allowing them to aggressively outpace organic evolution? Eventually becoming way more powerful than organic life? And seeing organics as useless, contributing nothing to the advancement of synthetic life?
Did you miss my whole self-fulfilling prophecy post?
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:37 pm to Tom288
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Reapers also ensure that organic life develops along a path that inevitably leads to the creation of synthetic life. It's a huge self-fulfilling prophecy.
This is the only thing I really have a problem with.
If the Reapers didn't want organic life to get wiped out by synthetics, couldn't the Reapers just wipe out the geth and said, "Hey guys, cut it out. We'll allow you to live as long as you don't create advanced synthetic life.". And just monitor the situation and kill and synthetics they deemed as a threat.
This post was edited on 5/8/12 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:40 pm to xXLSUXx
I think you missed my point which was that the Catalyst spoke in absolutes. The Catalyst speaks from an infallible position when in fact there is direct evidence to the contrary.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 4:58 pm to DMagic
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I think you missed my point which was that the Catalyst spoke in absolutes. The Catalyst speaks from an infallible position when in fact there is direct evidence to the contrary.
No, I understood. My claim is that the Catalyst's absolutes would turn out to be true. Meaning the "direct evidence" wouldn't hold.
Perhaps he knew the geth peace wouldn't last. Or that the Protheans would eventually lose their war against AI.
Anyway that's just my two cents. And it's probably not even worth that.
All I know is I have less than a week before Diablo 3 releases and I no longer have to think about this.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 5:00 pm to xXLSUXx
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Perhaps he knew the geth peace wouldn't last. Or that the Protheans would eventually lose their war against AI.
He couldn't possibly know that. He's somehow surprised that Shepard makes it as far as he does and that's one man. Something tells me he doesn't have the ability to see the fate of entire species.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 5:07 pm to Tom288
Seems like they just stole the plot of the matrix.
Catalyst=architect
Reapers=machines
Shepard=neo
Normandy=Nebuchadnezzar
Probably could work agent Smith in somehow (the original named reaper whose name escapes me)
Etc
Catalyst=architect
Reapers=machines
Shepard=neo
Normandy=Nebuchadnezzar
Probably could work agent Smith in somehow (the original named reaper whose name escapes me)
Etc
Posted on 5/8/12 at 5:21 pm to jefforize
Illusive Man could be Agent Smith
Posted on 5/8/12 at 5:23 pm to saintsfan92612
Of course 
Posted on 5/8/12 at 5:26 pm to xXLSUXx
I'm just using the only evidence I have presented to me. He expects me to believe his point of view with no evidence whatsoever. The galling thing is that Shepard(and thus the player) is made to accept these viewpoints with no input or argument which is completely out of character.
This post was edited on 5/8/12 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 5/8/12 at 5:28 pm to jefforize
If only we had the option to tell the catalyst to go frick himself like Neo told the architect.
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