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WildTchoupitoulas
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/18/12 at 2:31 pm to los angeles tiger)
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You are really stupid. Get a reprimand for this but expect them to go in there to defend the U.S. and its enemies to their death which requires them killing the enemies. Reprimanding soldiers is nonsense for people like you to feel good about yourself and the way your feel they should act on the battlefield.
You're so full of shit, your hair is turning brown.
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There's also a comment from a Marine in this thread, if you bothered to read what he said:
Idiot. If you'd bothered to follow along you would've seen my reply to that very post:
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This is true and should be considered whenever any of our young troops step out of line. A demerit for each of them.
Perhaps the Marine didn't agree with me, that's his prerogative. I just think their behaviour reflects poorly on the team and they should be made aware of that fact.
You're no saint yourself, maybe when you die someone who lacked respect for you will desecrate your body and display it for your family to view.
You are simply defending an indefensible position. Give it up.
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Green Chili Tiger 
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/18/12 at 2:34 pm to Y.A. Tittle)
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Why would you assume such a thing?
For several reasons.
1) I think a lot of people do the whole embalming, funeral, burial rituals because "that's what you do".
2) Everyone is so sensitive of the bereaved that they discuss their plans using terms like "the deceased" and "preparation" instead of "the corpse" and "embalming". There's a reason that funeral directors do this and it's not just to spare someone's feelings.
3) Funeral directors are in it for a profit not out of the goodness of their hearts. The minute you come in contact with one you are getting the "hard sell". They're just better at it than your average used car salesman.
4) It's difficult to think of a loved one you recently lost as remains that must be disposed of fairly quickly, but that is what you're left with.
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los angeles tiger
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/18/12 at 2:38 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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You're no saint yourself, maybe when you die someone who lacked respect for you will desecrate your body and display it for your family to view
I'd hope they would be more upset about me being dead and if I'm killed, much more upset about that than the display of my body. Since I'm dead at that point, I don't really give a frick about the way I'm displayed. I'm dead.
Now go wipe your nose, dumbass.
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los angeles tiger
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/18/12 at 2:40 pm to Green Chili Tiger)
Green, your defense opens with "I think." Not a factual defense but your assumption and opinion.
Regarding being sensitive and for others to have information, we should focus on such for those who seek abortions, since it involves a living body. Planned Parenthood and pro-abortion groups are tireless in efforts to block such.
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WildTchoupitoulas
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/18/12 at 2:45 pm to Green Chili Tiger)
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I think a lot of people do the whole embalming, funeral, burial rituals because "that's what you do".
I'm telling you, when burying my father, I was shocked at the regulations requiring me to do a lot of that stuff.
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Green Chili Tiger
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/18/12 at 2:45 pm to los angeles tiger)
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Green, your defense opens with "I think." That's an assumption you are making.
Well sure it is. I don't have any numbers to support my position and I don't think a proper study has ever been done.
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Regarding being sensitive and information, we should focus on such for those who seek abortions, since it involves a living body.
This is a completely seperate issue.
My point is, why, other than "tradition", would you not want your surviving loved ones to dispose of your remains as quickly, efficiently, and as affordably as they could?
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WildTchoupitoulas
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/19/12 at 6:38 am to los angeles tiger)
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You are really stupid. Get a reprimand for this but expect them to go in there to defend the U.S. and its enemies to their death which requires them killing the enemies. Reprimanding soldiers is nonsense for people like you to feel good about yourself and the way your feel they should act on the battlefield.
There's also a comment from a Marine in this thread, if you bothered to read what he said:
Take it up with a soldier:
The two photos published by the paper are among 18 provided by a U.S. soldier who wanted "to draw attention to the safety risk of a breakdown in leadership and discipline," The Times reported.
LINK
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coloradoBengal
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/19/12 at 6:47 am to WildTchoupitoulas)
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I'm telling you, when burying my father, I was shocked at the regulations requiring me to do a lot of that stuff.
No shite. Me too.
And to the original topic... I really don't feel the soldiers should treat the bodies of their enemy with any special reverence.
But I think posing with the dead body of an enemy like its a buck on opening day, demonstrates, as others have put it... a coping mechanism for dealing with reality of war. And its one I find disturbing, as should everyone, IMO.
The soldiers themselves are dealing with death in ways that I surely can't understand, and its probably contagious when they are in the middle of it.
But the fact that we who aren't combat soldiers can't understand it, doesn't mean we don't have a right to be appalled by it.
Where I think we fall short in our criticism, is that some fail to realize that this *is* war. That's what it looks like. Its horrific, and evil. You can make a solid argument, that the more horrific, the more visible, the more evil it is, the harder its waged... the shorter it will be. Attempts to scrub it sanitary so as not to offend us in the 5 minutes of thought we give it each week, is ridiculous. Denouncing how its waged or dealt with is superficial bull shite. Denouncing it entirely is where your energy should be focused.
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WildTchoupitoulas
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/19/12 at 7:07 am to coloradoBengal)
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Where I think we fall short in our criticism, is that some fail to realize that this *is* war. That's what it looks like. Its horrific, and evil. You can make a solid argument, that the more horrific, the more visible, the more evil it is, the harder its waged... the shorter it will be. Attempts to scrub it sanitary so as not to offend us in the 5 minutes of thought we give it each week, is ridiculous. Denouncing how its waged or dealt with is superficial bull shite. Denouncing it entirely is where your energy should be focused.
Those were exactly the sentiments of Sherman 150 years ago when he said, "War is hell."
Which is EXACTLY why war should be the ABSOLUTE last resort - imo, only used for the defense of our BORDERS.
Ultimately the point is that the act violates regulations and shows a lack of dicipline. Without dicipline an army becomes an armed mob - an extremely well-armed mob.
These soldiers probably just need to be removed from the combat zone, diciplined and reintroduced to the Field Manuals.
Unfortunately now that it has become an international incident, they will probably be severely censured - beyond what the intial transgression required.
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Bobby Moore
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/19/12 at 7:19 am to Y.A. Tittle)
God owns our body and we should treat it Godly.
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WildTchoupitoulas
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:50 am to Bobby Moore)
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God owns our body and we should treat it Godly.
Yes, Goddity God, God.
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USMCTiger03
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:56 am to WildTchoupitoulas)
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Ultimately the point is that the act violates regulations and shows a lack of dicipline. Without dicipline an army becomes an armed mob - an extremely well-armed mob. These soldiers probably just need to be removed from the combat zone, diciplined and reintroduced to the Field Manuals.
It's not like they mutilated the bodies or did anything particularly "mean" to them, just some joking stuff with pictures. It's one of those things that don't strike me as being a big deal, but at the same time I wouldn't want it happening with any frequency.quote:
dicipline
Discipline. Just saying.quote:
Unfortunately now that it has become an international incident, they will probably be severely censured - beyond what the intial transgression required.
True.
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WildTchoupitoulas
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/19/12 at 9:11 am to USMCTiger03)
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It's not like they mutilated the bodies or did anything particularly "mean" to them, just some joking stuff with pictures. It's one of those things that don't strike me as being a big deal, but at the same time I wouldn't want it happening with any frequency.
Exactly.
It does seem to me that they should be pulled from combat and allowed to cool down, and then the equivalent of running laps and refamiliarizing themselves with the code of conduct.
To be honest, I didn't even read much of the story. It just doesn't seem like something I need to find out all the details on as I see it as an internal matter and not really any of my business.
But it's too late for that now.
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Discipline. Just saying.
Roger, thanks.
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Choupique19
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/19/12 at 10:04 am to WildTchoupitoulas)
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The MAIN problem is that we never should have gone over there in the first place, our civilian 'leadership' let us down.
Yes, I rather enjoyed 9/11. May I have another, please?
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ScoopAndScore
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/19/12 at 12:29 pm to coloradoBengal)
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It makes the person doing it, more like the person he's doing it to. That's the problem everyone should have with it.
So a marine smiling in a picture is like a suicide bomber? Makes sense
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coloradoBengal
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/19/12 at 12:31 pm to Choupique19)
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May I have another, please?
You will. And our time in Iraq and Afghanistan will be a contributing factor.
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TX Tiger
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/19/12 at 1:07 pm to Y.A. Tittle)
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What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone Who had so much respect for his own body that he was willing to blow himself up to try an kill a bunch of other people he thinks invaded his country and slaughtered his friends and neighbors?
FIFY
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TX Tiger
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/19/12 at 1:13 pm to los angeles tiger)
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You are way past time in critizing the enemy for the way they have treated our soldiers. Look at what they did to them for burning some books!! I don't give a fricking rats arse in hell that our military men have done such. They have been shot at, mamed and have seen fellow soldiers mamed and killed by the vermin in Afghanistan. That vermin doesn't give a rats arse about their fellow Afghanis, whom they were torturing and killing way before we went to war there.
frick 'EM
So when we kill innocent women and children, it's O.K. because "frick 'em, it's war."
But when we invade their country, kill their women and children and they have the nerve to treat us rudely....they're vermin?
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Y.A. Tittle
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/19/12 at 1:17 pm to TX Tiger)
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What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone Who had so much respect for his own body that he was willing to blow himself up to try an kill a bunch of other people he thinks invaded his country and slaughtered his friends and neighbors?
FIFY
That's a peculiar worldview, but so noted.
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TX Tiger
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| re: What is the "respectful" way to deal with the body of someone (Posted on 4/19/12 at 1:26 pm to Y.A. Tittle)
Peculiar to the American Sheople, yes. Worldwide....not so much.
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