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MStant1 
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/3/12 at 9:12 am to Rohan2Reed)
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Rohan2Reed
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:20 pm to MStant1)
I've yet to find a site/series of articles that analyzes Mad Men as thoroughly as Salon.
Here's a LINK to a great read about S5E2. At just over 2,600 it's a handful (and that's just one of entry), but I think this excerpt adequately sums up the theme:
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All youthful dreams die, and adult life is the long, slow accommodation to the way things actually are versus the way we not only hoped but believed they’d be. (As Henry puts it later in a more hopeful context, “This is what it could be, but it’s not gonna be.”) “Tea Leaves” draws a bright line between those who are still young and optimistic enough to have dreams – like sunny, yellow-outfitted Megan, back-to-connivingly-striving Pete, our plucky career gal Peggy, and even the new gaffe-a-minute copywriter Michael Ginsberg. On the other side, the middle-aged realists who are in the process of giving their dreams up, including the superannuated Roger, the always-doubtful Don, and the model-turned-matron Betty.
*Other Salon articles - the one on Pete is particularly interesting - can be found below on the linked page.
Also, here's a decent read from NY Mag.
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/3/12 at 4:34 pm to Rohan2Reed)
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“Tea Leaves” draws a bright line between those who are still young and optimistic enough to have dreams – like sunny, yellow-outfitted Megan, back-to-connivingly-striving Pete, our plucky career gal Peggy, and even the new gaffe-a-minute copywriter Michael Ginsberg.
I agree with this 100% even after feeling somewhat disappointed with the first two episodes.
As usual, the show is setting the stage for the season - in their typical understated manner - showing us through small storylines rather than telling us - a season full of dramatic shifts with the show moving forward with the times as our characters age - therefore changing the show somewhat and our comfortable expectations of the early 60's Sterling-Cooper show we loved.
This season almost felt like a movie sequel where you wonder..."what happened? I love the original, I want to go back to that."
It's been my favorite show - so I trust this reaction is simply growing pains and the fact that Mad Men is trying to do what no other show has done before...most shows never move forward in time or they pretend nobody ages...they protect that "expectation bubble" or "comfort zone." Mad Men is changing what a TV show can look like...and challenging the audience in the process.
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/3/12 at 7:17 pm to Zamoro10)
My DVR didn't record this show for some reason. Anybody know how I can watch it online?
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MStant1
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/4/12 at 8:55 am to Zamoro10)
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agree with this 100% even after feeling somewhat disappointed with the first two episodes.
 Seriously!?
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/4/12 at 9:30 am to MStant1)
FAT BETTY
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:18 am to sgallo3)
I thought that Ginsberg was going to return to a "big secret" in his apartment. (Like the reveal that Don had a wife and kids at the end of the first episode).
I was thinking gay, or black wife, or he was a spy sent by Duck.
Turns out... he's just Ginsberg.
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etm512
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:22 am to Fewer Kilometers)
Why did they have to ruin January Jones like that for me? 
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Rohan2Reed
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:24 am to Fewer Kilometers)
He lied about not having a family. It seemed as if his entire persona could be a fabrication he and his father created to slide himself into Madison Ave. For what purpose? That remains to be seen.
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/4/12 at 12:31 pm to Rohan2Reed)
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He lied about not having a family. It seemed as if his entire persona could be a fabrication he and his father created to slide himself into Madison Ave. For what purpose?
to get his feet wet and then start up his own firm with Roger.
just guessing.
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parrotdr
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/4/12 at 1:45 pm to Cold Pizza)
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So is this tumor on Betty's neck making her fat even though it's benign? They missed a great opportunity with this. Show us draconian 60's oncology, and let the fanboys revel in her torture.
Benign tumors in the thyroid can cause weight gain if they contribute to hypothyroidism.
From online med site:
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An enlarged multinodular gland can be associated with an underactive, or hypothyroid state. This condition causes the body’s functions to slow and can be marked by: Weight gain, Slowed heart rate, Constipation, Fatigue, Depression
So she does have a possible excuse, although it sure sounded like the Doc didn't realize that--was this before they knew this much about the thyroid? He blamed it on "middle age" (worth the look on Betty's face in itself when he said it--BOOM!) and a slowing metabolism.
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etm512
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/4/12 at 2:05 pm to parrotdr)
Did anyone else get like a look of disappointment on her face when she got the news that it was benign? I took that to mean that she realized she was getting fat for other reasons than the thyroid problem she was "hoping" it would be.
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parrotdr
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/4/12 at 2:09 pm to etm512)
Well, it still is a thyroid problem, just not a malignancy. But I know what you're saying. She now has to try to kick the ice cream habit...
...AND she was called "middle aged" by the Doc. Love how he nonchalantly put his cigarette out while not looking at her and calling her middle aged at the same time. Put that bitch in her place!
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Rohan2Reed
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/4/12 at 2:14 pm to etm512)
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Did anyone else get like a look of disappointment on her face when she got the news that it was benign? I took that to mean that she realized she was getting fat for other reasons than the thyroid problem she was "hoping" it would be.
Of course. Similar to where she was having a tea with a woman who actually has cancer and still had the nerve to make the "I'm just fat" comment. So self-centered and childish. A la the final scene where she finishes Sally's ice cream. Wonder if the writers will ever let Betty grow up or if she's just that juvenile. Doesn't help that the men in her life (father and Don) always babied and coddled her. Henry doesn't seem to do that, but it doesn't appear as if she understands or appreciates their relationship.
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/4/12 at 5:02 pm to Rohan2Reed)
I was surprised Don showed any compassion or sympathy towards Betty at all. Old Don wouldn't have gave a shite and used this as a reason to pick up a new sidepiece.
Pete really pissed me off in this last episode. What a dick. Sometime I really like Pete and sometimes I can't fricking stand that lil prick.
The new guy GinsBurg(sp?) will interesting in the mix. Peggy is obviously worried because she's doing her best not to act worried. Sort of a Mark Sanchez, Tim Tebow type situation.
The entire part of the show with Harry and Don was hilarious, especially them in the car together.
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Rohan2Reed
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/4/12 at 6:02 pm to Klark Kent)
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I was surprised Don showed any compassion or sympathy towards Betty at all. Old Don wouldn't have gave a shite and used this as a reason to pick up a new sidepiece.
Not sure I follow. How would Betty telling Don she may have cancer better enable him to engage in extramarital affairs?
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Pete really pissed me off in this last episode. What a dick. Sometime I really like Pete and sometimes I can't fricking stand that lil prick.
He's still struggling, as a man, with getting what he wants and how to go about getting that. He shows flashes of being a good man, but he's also selfish and entitled at times.. and could use a little more tact.
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The new guy GinsBurg(sp?) will interesting in the mix. Peggy is obviously worried because she's doing her best not to act worried. Sort of a Mark Sanchez, Tim Tebow type situation.
Could be. It's Ginsberg, btw. As in Allen.
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The entire part of the show with Harry and Don was hilarious, especially them in the car together.
Agreed.
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sgallo3
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/4/12 at 7:04 pm to Rohan2Reed)
Harry has really grown on me as a character, but he's so damn pussywhipped haha
i thought for a second Don was gonna end up hooking up with that young chick lol
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/4/12 at 10:05 pm to sgallo3)
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FAT BETTY
Just saw this...
@Fat BettyFrancis
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If anyone has a good method for getting powdered sugar into their cigarettes, let me know, because I'm making a mess.
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The cruel irony of Bugles is that after eating so many you can no longer stick them on your fingers **Sigh**
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Henry is never on my side. At least I don’t think he is... I can’t turn my neck that far.
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The only good thing about Sally getting home from school is that I can smell the cafeteria on her clothes
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Goodnight room. Goodnight moon. Goodnight cow in the frying pan whose delicious marbled fat I'll be eating soon .
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/6/12 at 1:50 pm to GeauxTigerTM)
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| re: Mad Men 4-1 502 "Tea Leaves" (Posted on 4/6/12 at 2:09 pm to GeauxTigerTM)
MOAR!!!
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