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re: If you could change the game of soccer...?
Posted on 3/26/12 at 11:25 am to ohiovol
Posted on 3/26/12 at 11:25 am to ohiovol
Simulation. They have to start carding consistently. 2 game legs are perfect, they play a lot of games and home field is an advantage. Teams cut their grass based on style of play. Id like to see more clubs play eachother from around the world but that prob wont ever happen. Have tourneys that actually mean something.
Soccer has it right, you lengthing the game you add commercial breaks if their is stoppage. No fricking way i want that.
Soccer has it right, you lengthing the game you add commercial breaks if their is stoppage. No fricking way i want that.
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Posted on 3/26/12 at 11:44 am to dgnx6
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Have tourneys that actually mean something.
I would love to see Europa League become a more serious tournament. Not sure how it could happen though.
Maybe the major leagues could offer some incentive for their teams to take it seriously and that, in turn, would help bring in more TV money? As it stands now, it seems that only German, Portuguese and smaller league clubs see it as anything more than a distraction from league races.
Does Bundesliga offer some incentive? Why do their teams seem to care so much?
Posted on 3/26/12 at 11:57 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Ending the game in PKs. I'd rather them take a player off every 5 mins and let the game open up.
Good idea. They also need to widen the goals. I know purists will kick and scream about this but the game has a major flaw in it and needs to adapt. Games ending 0-0 and then being decided by penalty kicks is not a real sporting event.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 11:59 am to dgnx6
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Soccer has it right, you lengthing the game you add commercial breaks if their is stoppage. No fricking way i want that.
Then don't expect it to ever get on par with football in popularity.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 12:02 pm to TheSexecutioner
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They also need to widen the goals. I know purists will kick and scream about this but the game has a major flaw in it and needs to adapt. Games ending 0-0 and then being decided by penalty kicks is not a real sporting event.
You may enjoy Futsal more.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 12:03 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Good idea. They also need to widen the goals. I know purists will kick and scream about this but the game has a major flaw in it and needs to adapt. Games ending 0-0 and then being decided by penalty kicks is not a real sporting event.
0-0 games that end in PKs are extrememly rare and not worth changing the entire game to negate.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 12:05 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Then don't expect it to ever get on par with football in popularity.
I'd rather keep my niche sport that lasts 2 hours with 1.5 hours of that time being full play than have it become a mega hit in the US.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 12:09 pm to DestrehanTiger
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I'd rather keep my niche sport that lasts 2 hours with 1.5 hours of that time being full play than have it become a mega hit in the US.
Exactly. It's not like soccer needs to change just to appeal to some American fans when it's already far and away the most popular sport in the world exactly like it is.
Again, there's always Futsal or Beach soccer.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 12:10 pm to DestrehanTiger
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0-0 games that end in PKs are extrememly rare and not worth changing the entire game to negate.
What about 1-1 games where an inferior team gets a lucky goal and then just bunkers down?
And it is not neccesarily low scoring that is the problem. It is that 95 percent of plays don't matter. American football (especially before the forward pass) could be low scoring but ever play, drive, and quarter counted. There was field position to play for.
There isn't enough reward for good play. An outstanding build up that doesn't result in a good play is rewarded the same as a side clearing punt once all is said and done. How can this be fixed? The only way to fix this is making scoring more imperative so that a team cant get by without actively trying to do it.
Basketball didn't use to have a shot clock. It was a flawed game. There were probably people who stuck their nose up and insisted that the game was "pure" as is, and adding a shot clock would ruin the game. Well, they were wrong. Basketball is a flawed sport without a shot clock. Soccer is a flawed sport without proper incentive to make offensive attacks.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 12:15 pm to TheSexecutioner
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What about 1-1 games where an inferior team gets a lucky goal and then just bunkers down?
I'm saying PKs in general are rare. They only occur in cup knockout rounds that don't have a replay situation. That represents less than 1% of games. There's no reason to change the goal size for that.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 12:16 pm to TheSexecutioner
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TheSexecutioner
How did you end up on this board? you obviously don't enjoy the sport.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 12:17 pm to DestrehanTiger
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I'd rather keep my niche sport that lasts 2 hours with 1.5 hours of that time being full play than have it become a mega hit in the US.
Then you are also stuck with the 2006 world cup final. Compare that abortion of a title game to a super bowl. The game ended with the equivalent of the kickers running out to kick 5 field goals each.
I'm not saying it is a bad sport or needs a complete overhaul. Nor am I saying that the goals should be doubled in size. But if increasing the goals by, say a foot or two, doubled scoring, why not do it?
I understand it might take a little away from the thrill of finally scoring, but the goals are an arbitrary size anyway. All it would do is make the perception of an incredible play different. There would still be just as many elite plays. Think of it like lowering the NBA rim 3 inches. Just because there would be more dunks doesn't neccesarily mean that Blake Griffin's dunk would be less impressive.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 12:18 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
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How did you end up on this board? you obviously don't enjoy the sport.
I think he may just be a World Cup viewer, which is fine. I think that explains the problems he has with the game.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 12:19 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
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How did you end up on this board? you obviously don't enjoy the sport.
How do you figure that? Do I not enjoy basketball because I think the 3 point line is gimmicky? Do I not enjoy baseball because I think the home run cheapens the game?
Just because I don't think the game is absolutely ideal doesn't mean I don't enjoy it as is. I just think that an improvement can be made to ensure that fewer games end in PKs/bunkers.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 12:21 pm to TheSexecutioner
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How do you figure that? Do I not enjoy basketball because I think the 3 point line is gimmicky? Do I not enjoy baseball because I think the home run cheapens the game?
This just confused me. Both of your points lead to more scoring and you hate it. But you are suggestions to increase scoring in soccer aren't considered things that cheapen the game?
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I just think that an improvement can be made to ensure that fewer games end in PKs/bunkers.
Again, very few games end in PKs.
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Posted on 3/26/12 at 12:22 pm to TheSexecutioner
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doubled scoring, why not do it
This an incredibly American biased way to look at the sport. I appreciate a switch of sides during an attack with a pinpoint 60 yard pass to an overlapping fullbacks feet almost as much as a wonder goal.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 12:24 pm to DestrehanTiger
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This just confused me. Both of your points lead to more scoring and you hate it. But you are suggestions to increase scoring in soccer aren't considered things that cheapen the game?
Neither of those games have a major flaw caused by lack of scoring. You are misunderstanding me. It is not the lack of scoring I am against. It is that in SOME games, there is not enough incentive to score. Also, because of the lack of scoring, some games have absolutely ridiculous endings(pk's). Basically, tiebreaking and playing for ties are the two problems in this sport. Those aren't issues in basketball or baseball.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 12:25 pm to TheSexecutioner
Watching soccer for the goals is like watching The Godfather for the violence or reading Vonnegut for the jokes.
There's an art to the game that encouraging more scoring by widening the goals or whatever rule change you want to implement would completely ruin. I've seen many 0-0 games that were beautiful, and many 4-3 games that were not.
There's an art to the game that encouraging more scoring by widening the goals or whatever rule change you want to implement would completely ruin. I've seen many 0-0 games that were beautiful, and many 4-3 games that were not.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 12:27 pm to DestrehanTiger
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Again, very few games end in PKs
Do very few games end with a team getting up 1 and then stalling? More so in the world cup where teammates might have less chemistry for attacks and defense more tenacious, I find.
What is your opinion on the shot clock in basketball? Rather, what is your opinion on the old "four corners" offense, where a team would get a lead and then hold the ball in the second half for incredible amounts of time?
Posted on 3/26/12 at 12:28 pm to DestrehanTiger
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I'd rather keep my niche sport that lasts 2 hours with 1.5 hours of that time being full play than have it become a mega hit in the US.
Agree!!!
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