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Miles Statements about pressure debunked.

Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:05 pm
Posted by Tiger Vision
Mandeville
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:05 pm
"But we felt like with the pressure we were getting from their defense, we needed a guy who could move his feet." - Les Miles

Jordan Jefferson was sacked 14 times in 100 pass attempts this season. He took a sack on 14% of his pass attempts.

Jarrett Lee was sacked 4 times in 167 pass attempts this season. He took a sack on 2.4% of his pass attempts.

For Miles to make this statement after the game he is either flat out lying or he does not know his personnel very well.

If their was so much pressure wouldn't you go to the guy who can read the D quicker, has a quicker delivery, throws down-field and takes way less sacks?

LOL at all you idiots that think Lee throws the ball up for grabs more than Jefferson:

Jordan Jefferson has 2 interceptions in 100 pass attempts. He throws an interception on 2% of his pass attempts.

Jarrett Lee has 3 interceptions on 167 pass attempts. He throws an interception on 1.8% of his pass attempts.

That means that Jordan Jefferson either throws an interception or gets sacked every 6.25 pass attempts

That means that Jarrett Lee either throws an interception or gets sacked every 23.8 pass attempts
This post was edited on 1/11/12 at 2:59 pm
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99298 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:08 pm to
Plus, a realistic passing threat would open up the run some, and scale back some of that pressure.
This post was edited on 1/11/12 at 2:13 pm
Posted by Trauma14
Member since Aug 2010
5859 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:10 pm to
Take your logic somewhere else.
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21127 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:14 pm to
JJ can run a little, but Lee has a quick release. Advantage, Lee.

Advantage Lee on everything. I said it after the Western Kentucky game and I am saying it now. You never should have benched Lee. Bring JJ in situationally and start Lee. Both play and offense is diverse.
Posted by lilgrovel
GA
Member since Feb 2011
1272 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:14 pm to
yea well this is a little to late for this its over with.
Posted by heightstiger
Houston Heights
Member since Dec 2011
435 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:15 pm to
Sacks occur when two things happen primarily:

1) A QB holds on to the ball too long regardless of what his feet are doing

2) A defense sells out on the pass and mauls the line overwhelming the protection and causing even more of #1

Both happened Monday. Lee would have changed #2. I don't buy that with Lee in, they blitz more. They have to defend the obvious pass. Plus I felt Lee was better at selling the option than JJ based on the limited evidence (W.Ku). And he's always better than #1, sometimes to a fault, but not this year.

Les is a stubborn coach and that's why it's unfortunate. How as a fan do we fix this? I don't see how other than continuing to pressure the administration and university to wake up Les to the reality that he has to evolve his game and stop being the final judge on on the field talent. He's gotten it wrong so many times now with Jamarcus and Jordan that he's seriously risking recruiting if he continues to be unaccountable to his actions
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
15855 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

If their was so much pressure wouldn't you go to the guy who can read the D quicker, has a quicker delivery, throws down-field and takes way less sacks?


Mettenburger? You can't be talking about Lee. Lee doesn't take many sacks...he mostly throws the ball up for grabs, as evidenced by his two picks in the first game.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
127492 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

Jarrett Lee was sacked 4 times in 167 pass attempts this season. He took a sack on 2.4% of his pass attempts.


He had good protection for most of the 1st 8 games of the season. Despite that somehow he still got rattled as soon as he started facing pressure against Bama. We all should know what happens to Lee when he is dealing with pressure

With that said I wouldn't have minded seeing him out there even though I was sure it wouldn't have made much of a difference.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:26 pm to
quote:

For Miles to make this statement after the game he is either flat out lying or he does not know his personnel very well.

He was lying, but his reason could be a lot of different things.
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
24670 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:32 pm to
Stats don't always tell the whole story.

How many sack yards for both?

What about the amount of bubble screens from Iform twins to Beckham for Lee as compared to JJ. What about the number of incompletitions from hurries?

When JJ is pressured, he hangs in there to a fault in an attempt to take the hit and deliver the ball, and a large number of his sacks loss minimal yardage because he's scrambling back towards the LOS, while on the other hand, Lee is folding up 6 yards in the backfield. Lee gets happy feet, and will toss the ball up for grabs.

Stats paint a picture, but don't tell the whole story.
Posted by BillF
Monroe, LA
Member since Jan 2006
5079 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:33 pm to
Lee gets sacked less than Jefferson for one reason: Nine times out of ten, Lee is going to grab it and let it fly. Period.

Don't get me wrong, I kept hoping he would get in the game Monday night. He can be very accurate at times and can make throws Jefferson can't. But Lee is gonna let it fly if the receiver is open or not. It's just what he does. And yes, he did it his entire career, even in the great run to open the season. He's just so accurate at times that he can squeeze the throw in sometimes when he shouldn't throw it in the first place.

We had receivers open the other night and Jefferson couldn't get the ball to them. Maybe Lee would have. You've just got to be willing to accept whatever you get from him. He'll always be a favorite of mine because of his team attitude and loyalty, along with the great start he gave us this year. He deserved a chance to at least have a shot at a memorable night in his final game.
Posted by Coon2000
America
Member since Sep 2010
351 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:35 pm to
Jefferson is like a fan. One side sucks, the other side blows.
Posted by Tigerik
Franklin, TN
Member since Mar 2007
1659 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:42 pm to
Alabama was expecting Jordan Jefferson for 6 weeks of preparation. How unexpected would it have been to have started J. Lee and come out throwing against their 8 in the box like they did.

Bama went against it's tendencies (good coaching) and we stuck with the same ole "you know".
Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
17716 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 2:43 pm to
quote:

Jordan Jefferson was sacked 14 times in 100 pass attempts this season. He took a sack on 14% of his pass attempts.

Jarrett Lee was sacked 4 times in 167 pass attempts this season. He took a sack on 2.4% of his pass attempts.


Wow. What I want to know is why we didn't continue running the offense with Lee even after the 1st Alabama game? Lee is a much better passer, has a quick release, and can spot the open man. The only thing JJ brought to the table was a running threat. Miles sacrificed a passing threat for a running threat. Was running the option really that important?
Posted by Papa Tigah
TIGER ISLAND, LA
Member since Sep 2007
18487 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 7:56 pm to
Jl is a great qb but miles is a horses arse for treating the young man that way
Posted by peopleschamp
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
6576 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:05 pm to
We have pocket QBs for the next 4 years. Are we gonna forfeit all our games against Bama? Is it possible we will think of ways to adjust to pressure and use a good pocket passer to our advantage?
Posted by jeff70121
Metairie
Member since Dec 2011
4313 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:11 pm to
If you want to see what a quality SEC QB looks like in 2012 watch Mettenberger - I look for Randle to get some playing time too! Quality QB depth for the next few years won't be our problem.
Posted by windhammontanatigers
windham-stanford, montana
Member since Nov 2009
4993 posts
Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:15 pm to
Thank you Tiger Vision, Plenty to see there. I appreciate you taking the time and doing homework to post. People need to know the truth and at least you have the gonads to take some time and do it. Thats the deal the staff needs to be called on teh carpet when they spew out BS. Miles theory of avoiding sacks as to his sticking with JJ is Bs plain and simple and you r stats show that. Thanks.
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