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re: SEC Championship game benefits LSU more than Bama?
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:20 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:20 am to NC_Tigah
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t depends on the game, but several AP voters (perhaps a majority) are considering a split title in the event of an LSU loss. That, in and of itself, is surprising. It's been widely discussed and it would be unprecedented.
It wouldnt matter if we split votes in the ap, what matters is who gets the majority of them.
We were clearly the best team after beating bama and still didnt get all of the ap votes.
Going a few posts up, talking about bama beating themselves. Well you remeber the oregon rematch talk? Oh it was the first game and they fumbled the game away, Oregon beat themselves. Sounds familiar doesnt it? Zero credit to LSU.
Ill come back to this when majority of the talking heads pick bama over us again before Jan 9th.
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 2:22 am
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Posted on 11/28/11 at 4:55 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Assuming, of course, that LSU had lost 9-6 in OT and had run the table the rest of the way as we did, LSU would likely be #2 and sitting in BAMA's chair
That is debateable. Knowing that we heard nothing but negatives from ESPN and CBS's broadcast crew on our ligitimatcy, we probably would have been placed lower than Bama after the loss being we would have had to work our way back from farther down than Bama. Bama's poll numbers and position is based on their reputation IMO. Only in that we can't let Nick not have a shot and the hell with anyone else.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 5:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
Roger, it looks like I need to bump my old thread for all the dumb bitches who think the SEC Championship is meaningless. And make no mistake, if you think the SEC Championship is meaningless, you are a dumb crybaby bitch.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 5:20 am to catnip
The Nov 5 games is not meaningless. LSU won, which allowed them to eventually clinch the division, and have a chance to win the SEC title. This means something. Bama did not get a free pass. They did not know going into the game they could lose and still get into the BCSNCG. LSU, however, kind of does get a free pass. They can lose to UGA and still go to the BCSNCG, and THEY KNOW THAT GOING IN. And as for Bama, winning 11 games playing an SEC Schedule, having nearly identical results against common opponents as LSU is also not a free pass.
It essentially comes down to this, most unbiased observers of the Nov 5 game saw something along the lines of "These are CLEARLY the country's two best teams, they played an insanely tight game, there were weird errors and at the end of the game someone had to win but we still don't really know which team is better." Like it or not, that's how most non-LSU fans feel.
Now, once again, that doesn't diminish your win. LSU got the W fair and square. Your reward: The division and potential SEC title. This is absolutely not meaningless.
But at the end of the season, at the end of the conference championship, it's time for the two best teams to play each other once and for all. And we all know who those two teams are.
It essentially comes down to this, most unbiased observers of the Nov 5 game saw something along the lines of "These are CLEARLY the country's two best teams, they played an insanely tight game, there were weird errors and at the end of the game someone had to win but we still don't really know which team is better." Like it or not, that's how most non-LSU fans feel.
Now, once again, that doesn't diminish your win. LSU got the W fair and square. Your reward: The division and potential SEC title. This is absolutely not meaningless.
But at the end of the season, at the end of the conference championship, it's time for the two best teams to play each other once and for all. And we all know who those two teams are.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 5:21 am to topgun1676
Whether Bama gets into the NCG is out of their control. For this reason alone, they would love to have won on November 5 and trade places with LSU right now.
But beyond that, LSU benefits from being in the game because they have a chance to have the greatest season in college football history and establish LSU as a program that is second to none for years to come. Think back to past national champs other than LSU. Do you really remember what they did to get there? This can be a team that took on all comers and beat them to be the clear champion. If all comers includes Bama after not having to play on December 3 (and missing out on the round of battle testing that goes with it), so be it.
Something special is happening that I want to see in my lifetime!
But beyond that, LSU benefits from being in the game because they have a chance to have the greatest season in college football history and establish LSU as a program that is second to none for years to come. Think back to past national champs other than LSU. Do you really remember what they did to get there? This can be a team that took on all comers and beat them to be the clear champion. If all comers includes Bama after not having to play on December 3 (and missing out on the round of battle testing that goes with it), so be it.
Something special is happening that I want to see in my lifetime!
Posted on 11/28/11 at 5:26 am to genro
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But at the end of the season, at the end of the conference championship, it's time for the two best teams to play each other once and for all. And we all know who those two teams are.
so what if Bama wins 9-6 the second go around? Does that somehow show that Bama is the better team? Give both these defenses 5+ weeks to prepare, you're going to see a very similar game to the first one IMO. Fact is, no there's not a big difference in the 2 teams, but LSU won the game. It's not right to make one need to beat the other twice and the other just once in order to win the national title. And yes the SEC title is meaningless when it has nothing to do with the national title. Unless the voters Bump someone over Bama, the SEC title is a glorified practice given both teams will probably face each other if the voting trends don't change whether or LSU wins or not. Sure it will be nice to add some more hardware, but in the grand scheme of things, no it really isn't a meaningful game if you're going by how it affects the landscape of the national championship.
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 5:27 am
Posted on 11/28/11 at 5:40 am to lsufball19
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It's not right to make one need to beat the other twice and the other just once in order to win the national title. And yes the SEC title is meaningless when it has nothing to do with the national title.
So you didn't enjoy winning the SEC title in 2001 because LSU didn't win the NC? Btw UT beat you in the regular season, but you won in the rematch in the SECCG? Did they have a right to protest your SEC title because they beat you the first time?
There is a difference between regular season and post-season. The Nov 5 game was for a regular season win and control of the West division. That's not meaningless. Just because the BCS game will be more meaningful, doesn't make that game meaningless.
Regular season wins are regular season wins, and NC Game wins are National Championships, regardless of who you play.
If you lost to Bama in the BCS, in terms of National Title, then yes your Nov 5 win would be rendered meaningless. But if you lost to OSU in the BCS, your Nov 5 win would be rendered meaningless in terms on National Title.
It makes no difference who you play. You have to win when it matters most. And you should have to play the 2nd best team in the country to prove that. That team is Bama.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 5:56 am to RogerTheShrubber
At the end of the year, LSU will have an SEC Championship and a National Championship.
Alabama will have neither.
Alabama will have neither.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 5:59 am to topgun1676
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SEC Championship game benefits LSU more than Bama?
The loser will blame the SECCG.
When Alabama loses, it will be like 2007 when LSU beat Ohio State and they were saying it wasn't fair because they had too long of a layoff due to the fact that they didn't have a conference championship game.
Losers have to blame something.
Alabama fans will blame the loss on too long of a layoff.
LSU fans would blame the loss on the fact that they had to play an extra game.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 6:03 am to topgun1676
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However, I would like to think that this benefits LSU
Yes considering we are playing for the SEC Championship.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 6:04 am to genro
Show me any other team that dropped 1 spot after losing. Bama bias is ridiculous. Everyone else dropped 5-6 spots or more. Not Bama...ONE frickING SPOT.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 6:12 am to JJ27
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Show me any other team that dropped 1 spot after losing. Bama bias is ridiculous. Everyone else dropped 5-6 spots or more. Not Bama...ONE frickING SPOT.
If LSU had dominated, Bama would've plummeted. But LSU won by the slimmest of margins, Bama made crazy mistakes, missed 4 FG's, and lost in overtime. Since everyone knows LSU is really good, then that means Bama is really good, too. After all, they coulda shoulda woulda won. So in a way it's actually LSU bias: "If you just barely by the skin of your teeth get beat by LSU in an insanely tight game, then you must be good."
Posted on 11/28/11 at 6:14 am to genro
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So you didn't enjoy winning the SEC title in 2001 because LSU didn't win the NC? Btw UT beat you in the regular season, but you won in the rematch in the SECCG? Did they have a right to protest your SEC title because they beat you the first time?
LSU wasn't in contention for the national title in 2001, so that's a moot point. Tennessee also ended their national title hopes by losing that game, I don't think they really cared much that they didn't have an SEC title, they had bigger goals. If the SEC title is the best thing you can achieve for the season, that changes how much it means to the team, especially when the team can reach the national title game win or lose.
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There is a difference between regular season and post-season. The Nov 5 game was for a regular season win and control of the West division. That's not meaningless. Just because the BCS game will be more meaningful, doesn't make that game meaningless.
Regular season wins are regular season wins, and NC Game wins are National Championships, regardless of who you play.
you lost at home and didn't win your conference or your division. you didn't earn the right to play for the national title
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You have to win when it matters most. And you should have to play the 2nd best team in the country to prove that. That team is Bama.
LSU already did play that team and beat them. They proved November 5th they were the better team. Why should they have to prove they are better twice?
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 6:16 am
Posted on 11/28/11 at 6:17 am to topgun1676
Of course I want LSU to win the SEC, but the injustice of Bama sitting home watching it on TV, then still being rewarded with an opportunity to play in the NC is crazy. The Tigers go put it all on the line in Georgia while they kick back risking nothing?? Your whole being rusty idea does not really add up, as we will still have to wait 4-5 weeks before we play in the NC. No matter which way this situation breaks down, if we play Bama in the NC, its a total injustice. We beat them already. We went to thier neighborhood, in thier back yard and beat them. Next......
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 6:19 am
Posted on 11/28/11 at 6:24 am to lsufball19
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you lost at home and didn't win your conference or your division. you didn't earn the right to play for the national title
That's not a rule. That maxim doesn't exist. You made it up or took it from someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. There's never been a rule that you have to be undefeated at home and win your conference or division to win a national title. Just because YOU say that doesn't mean two shites.
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LSU already did play that team and beat them. They proved November 5th they were the better team. Why should they have to prove they are better twice?
You won the game, but you didn't prove you were better. That's precisely why everyone wants to see you play them again. That's what many LSU fans need to understand, the unbiased fan did not walk away from that game believing you were definitely the better team. Someone had to win, but you didn't PROVE you were better.
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 6:26 am
Posted on 11/28/11 at 6:38 am to genro
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After all, they coulda shoulda woulda won.
Why?
I mean why would you say this - aside from just being an arrogant Bama fan?
"Coulda"? No, they obviously couldn't, not in 60 minutes, and not in overtime.
"Shoulda"? No, they shouldn't have when they could only get into LSU's red zone ONE time - forcing them to attempt field gosls that most NFL kickers have less than a 50% chance of making.
"Woulda"? If what, they had scored more points? Yes, but you could say that ab out any losers.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 6:42 am to genro
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That's not a rule. That maxim doesn't exist. You made it up or took it from someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. There's never been a rule that you have to be undefeated at home and win your conference or division to win a national title. Just because YOU say that doesn't mean two shites.
I know it's not a rule, but it's been a pretty well-followed standard ever since Oklahoma in 2003. Florida jumped Michigan in 2006 for that reason, and LSU jumped UGA in 2007 for that reason.
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You won the game, but you didn't prove you were better. That's precisely why everyone wants to see you play them again. That's what many LSU fans need to understand, the unbiased fan did not walk away from that game believing you were definitely the better team. Someone had to win, but you didn't PROVE you were better.
LSU beat Alabama in their backyard late in the season. LSU is the better team. Apparently for Bama fans, losing a game isn't enough proof for them. They need a mulligan. How teams won doesn't matter, only that they won. Bama fans just can't get over the fact they lost that game, and neither can the media. It happened, LSU won, move on, let the next team try to see if they can beat LSU. Alabama couldn't
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 6:45 am
Posted on 11/28/11 at 6:44 am to genro
Playing in the SECc game is never a bad thing!
1) these next two games gives LSU the opportunity to be included with the mid nineties Nebraska and early 2000's Miami's.
2) Exposure! Once again were in a primetime game, just one more chance 2 display to young recruits wat LSU is about.
3) We have a fulltime QB now, this game gives Jefferson the opportunity of regaining the coaches trust. When we play Bana again we need to be able to open up, their 8 and 9 man fronts are just brutal.
4) It's another gameday!! I love to watch Lsu play, i wanna squeeze every second left outta this magical season !
1) these next two games gives LSU the opportunity to be included with the mid nineties Nebraska and early 2000's Miami's.
2) Exposure! Once again were in a primetime game, just one more chance 2 display to young recruits wat LSU is about.
3) We have a fulltime QB now, this game gives Jefferson the opportunity of regaining the coaches trust. When we play Bana again we need to be able to open up, their 8 and 9 man fronts are just brutal.
4) It's another gameday!! I love to watch Lsu play, i wanna squeeze every second left outta this magical season !
Posted on 11/28/11 at 6:46 am to Sweetness83
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Playing in the SECc game is never a bad thing!
1) these next two games gives LSU the opportunity to be included with the mid nineties Nebraska and early 2000's Miami's.
2) Exposure! Once again were in a primetime game, just one more chance 2 display to young recruits wat LSU is about.
3) We have a fulltime QB now, this game gives Jefferson the opportunity of regaining the coaches trust. When we play Bana again we need to be able to open up, their 8 and 9 man fronts are just brutal.
4) It's another gameday!! I love to watch Lsu play, i wanna squeeze every second left outta this magical season !
Don't get me wrong I'll be at the SEC CG Saturday and am very excited to go, but still doesn't change my opinion that Bama is getting a free pass into the national title by losing their division. They haven't even played anyone any good since the LSU game, while LSU still had 3rd ranked Arkansas to play. It's like, oh well, we lost, but whatever, still get to go to Nola
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 6:47 am
Posted on 11/28/11 at 6:47 am to genro
quote:LSU has earned this "free pass" by nature of winning all of its regular season games.
LSU, however, kind of does get a free pass. They can lose to UGA and still go to the BCSNCG, and THEY KNOW THAT GOING IN.
quote:Different divisions - but you know that. Ya'll have had to deal with Florida in this scenario in the past, yes? You knew the first time you played them ("going in," as you would say) that if you both won your division you'd be seeing each other again. Games against divisional rivals - until this year - allow a team to TCB, win the head-to-head and eliminate that obstacle to winning a championship - both conference and national.
[in 2001] UT beat you in the regular season, but you won in the rematch in the SECCG? Did they have a right to protest your SEC title because they beat you the first time?
The only way a rematch remotely makes sense is if LSU loses to UGA. Obviously I sincerely hope that doesn't happen, and I look forward to this team playing Bama again.
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