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IMO, this is how the situation is going to play out, Lawyers input welcome
Posted on 8/22/11 at 7:42 am
Posted on 8/22/11 at 7:42 am
If one of our football players catches the felony charge, there is no doubt in my mind they will plead down to a misdeameanor. This is why the interview was pushed back from monday until tomorrow. The lawyer, Fisher, undoubtely told the detective he was not bringing the boys in until a deal was inplace(charges, bail set, bomd already set up, etc), thus why the meeting was initially postponed indef. The DA knows he does not have a solid case(he said, she said involving drunk witnesses and friends) plus a youthful defendor who would more than likely only receive probation and get their records esponged upon completion. Depends on how backed up the court system is in BR will determine when the plea agreement becomes official.
As far as the team goes, Who knows, but Miles will probably run these guys into the ground instead of suspensions, or suspend them once the court case is finalized.
As far as the team goes, Who knows, but Miles will probably run these guys into the ground instead of suspensions, or suspend them once the court case is finalized.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 7:43 am to 7thWardTiger
You may be right on your first paragraph but as a player, I think JJ is done.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 7:44 am to 7thWardTiger
What about Jefferson lying to everyone?
You don't think that will play a part in this?
You don't think that will play a part in this?
Posted on 8/22/11 at 7:44 am to 7thWardTiger
Did you see what I wrote in the big thread last night 7th?
Posted on 8/22/11 at 7:46 am to 7thWardTiger
I think everyone ends up with simple battery. Any suspensions will be served during NWSt
Posted on 8/22/11 at 7:55 am to 7thWardTiger
JJ suspended for first 2 games
Posted on 8/22/11 at 7:59 am to 7thWardTiger
I think we should not discount the likelihood that none of the players face criminal consequences because none of the players were actually involved in a crime. The amount of credibility accorded to police reports by the general public continues to astound me. You have a huge crowd of pissed off, drunk and confused teenagers/20-somethings, all yelling and trying to tell "their story", and a few cops trying to write down everyone's version at once while their priorities are:
1) protect any victims who might be injured,
2) protect the crowd from each other,
3) protect themselves,
4) disperse the crowd without further violence, and finally
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.
.
5) investigate what actually occurred
The investigation is a distant last place on their priority list on the scene. They have so many and so much more important things to worry about, there is essentially zero effort put into vetting, verifying or even questioning any particular "witnesses" account. They're just writing down what everyone says at the moment, with hardly any regard to the credibility of the source.
I have personally witnessed a police report on a fight recording that four witnesses identified a guy as the culprit, when that guy was in fact sitting in a bar (next to me) two blocks away when the fight happened and all four witnesses (as they confirmed again in court) attempted to explain to the officer that they were identifying was an entirely different guy in "a green shirt and white hat." But the cop had looked up, seen a guy in a green shirt and white hat, and was not interested in listening to anything else.
We don't know jack at this point. None of us, not even the people who were there (much less the dozens of posters who will surely claim to have "been there"). It is sad (though in our society -- and among the lowlifes frequenting this board especially -- inevitable) how quickly and with such certainty we condemn the accused, when we are already conditioned to assume they are guilty.
As far as predicting how it plays out, that's sheer folly unless you are Nathan Fisher or the DA. No one else has nearly enough information about the case to make even a vague estimation. Lots of people thought Ray Lewis was going to jail forever and that Plaxico would be back on the field as quickly as his leg could heal. None of us really knows anything (and probably never will really know).
1) protect any victims who might be injured,
2) protect the crowd from each other,
3) protect themselves,
4) disperse the crowd without further violence, and finally
.
.
.
5) investigate what actually occurred
The investigation is a distant last place on their priority list on the scene. They have so many and so much more important things to worry about, there is essentially zero effort put into vetting, verifying or even questioning any particular "witnesses" account. They're just writing down what everyone says at the moment, with hardly any regard to the credibility of the source.
I have personally witnessed a police report on a fight recording that four witnesses identified a guy as the culprit, when that guy was in fact sitting in a bar (next to me) two blocks away when the fight happened and all four witnesses (as they confirmed again in court) attempted to explain to the officer that they were identifying was an entirely different guy in "a green shirt and white hat." But the cop had looked up, seen a guy in a green shirt and white hat, and was not interested in listening to anything else.
We don't know jack at this point. None of us, not even the people who were there (much less the dozens of posters who will surely claim to have "been there"). It is sad (though in our society -- and among the lowlifes frequenting this board especially -- inevitable) how quickly and with such certainty we condemn the accused, when we are already conditioned to assume they are guilty.
As far as predicting how it plays out, that's sheer folly unless you are Nathan Fisher or the DA. No one else has nearly enough information about the case to make even a vague estimation. Lots of people thought Ray Lewis was going to jail forever and that Plaxico would be back on the field as quickly as his leg could heal. None of us really knows anything (and probably never will really know).
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:02 am to 7thWardTiger
The players should not had been out at that time of night. the team captains that were envolved were just plain stupid. They should have shown leadership. As a coach I would run them through the mill.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:10 am to 7thWardTiger
quote:
esponged
Best ever mangling of a word without really altering the meaning.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:34 am to 7thWardTiger
I have read hundreds of police reports. There are so many mistakes in initial reports and often downright lies that it is very difficult to believe anything you read. If there are several statements from witnesses that are consistent, however, this could be the end of the Jeffersonian era at LSU. Politically, I've always been Jeffersonian; as an LSU fan, not so much.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:39 am to 7thWardTiger
A felony charge will not stick for all the reasons you stated above, it's not really the legal thing that we should be asking questions about, it's this:
- Will JJ be suspended for a game, game(s), or the full season?
-Will any of the other players face suspension or just run laps?
- Who will the QB be if JJ gets canned?
-Can we win against Oregon with Jarret Lee (NO), or Mett? (maybe)
-How will this affect the team morale? Will they implode from within or get stronger?
- Will JJ be suspended for a game, game(s), or the full season?
-Will any of the other players face suspension or just run laps?
- Who will the QB be if JJ gets canned?
-Can we win against Oregon with Jarret Lee (NO), or Mett? (maybe)
-How will this affect the team morale? Will they implode from within or get stronger?
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