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re: Official QB Thread...(do not start a new thread to discuss QB's)
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:03 am to just me
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:03 am to just me
Anyone that's watched tape on them has seen that Lee can make the throws and will have to respect it. If it were all completion % no one would watch tape.
I should ammend it to JL will throw and GC will call plays down the field with him in the game.
JL will get some people off the line that's a fact.
I should ammend it to JL will throw and GC will call plays down the field with him in the game.
JL will get some people off the line that's a fact.
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Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:04 am to Chicken
could you compare Haslett to Miles? Jim Haslett hung his hat on Aaron Brooks and never gave Jake Delhomme a legitimate chance to be a starter for the saints and we all know how that ended up. Could Les Miles and Jordan Jefferson be in the same situation?
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:14 am to egerre1
Not sure if this has been posted in this thread, although I have to assume it was....
CBS Sports: Miles not ready to shake up QB situation
CBS Sports: Miles not ready to shake up QB situation
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:20 am to Shankopotomus
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When the season began, Miles said fellow junior Jarrett Lee had competed well in spring and August practice, and could be given a chance should Jefferson falter. Making such a move now, however, would be premature, Miles said.
Yes Les... lets wait until the heart of our SEC schedule is upon us before we put Lee on the field. The Vandy game is the biggest red flag that we need someone warming up in the bullpen.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:27 am to booky
quote:
Well you heard it tiger fans (Miles and the Media)he is sticking with JJ until the ship goes down..are you suprised...he is a fricken idiot.
i think JJ has naked pictures of Les's Wife...
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:29 am to just me
A couple of these games are skewed significantly.
Both of these games Lee played very limited, only the first half of the Ole Miss game (injured in second qtr) and in the 4th qtr at Bama. I think 4/10 against the National Championship defense is pretty solid. He did lead us down the field for a TD.
quote:
Lee 8/20 (40%) 99 5.0 1 1 [2008 Tulane (Home)]
Lee 13/34 (38%) 181 5.3 1 4 [2008 Alabama (Home)]
Lee 4/12 (33%) 49 4.1 0 1 [2008 Ole Miss (Home)]
Lee 7/22 (32%) 105 4.8 1 0 [2009 La Tech (Home)]
Lee 4/10 (40%) 44 4.4 0 1 [2009 Alabama]
Both of these games Lee played very limited, only the first half of the Ole Miss game (injured in second qtr) and in the 4th qtr at Bama. I think 4/10 against the National Championship defense is pretty solid. He did lead us down the field for a TD.
This post was edited on 9/14/10 at 11:30 am
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:30 am to Shankopotomus
quote:
"We still won. That's all that really matters," Jefferson said.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:30 am to Chicken
I know Les will make the right decision for this team. After all, we'll just feel sad, depressed and frustrated if our team loses. But Les's job as LSU's head coach depends on this football team's success; and even though, to us, it seems as though Les is not as upset as we are about the lack of production at quarterback, I'm sure this is not the case. We should all be accustomed to Les's coachspeak by now, but I don't believe for a minute that he isn't truly frustrated by the lack of production he sees at quarterback. I know it would be tearing me up inside. So I'll cut him some slack for now and keep on cheering my team on. 
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:36 am to Tiger997
I think Les has the right idea on the QB situation now. JJ needs to get better (but so does Crowton and the o-line for that matter), but I think it's the smart decision to stick with him right now. There is nothing but optimism to suggest that Lee would do better at QB. Going on what we've seen in games, JJ is far better at QB. There is no reason to replace him with Lee except blind optimism.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:42 am to just me
I was gonna make some points, but I think I'll just defer to just me. Read his comments again.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:43 am to oak
quote:
There is no reason to replace him with Lee except blind optimism.
the spring game, and "the Throw"
I saw both...dude needs to play...
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:47 am to Chicken
Lengthy I know:
Let me start by saying that I fully recognize that some players have not had sufficent game time this season to judge their current execution. Furthermore I do not have access to practices or first hand performances by both quaterbacks making me less informed on their comparative abilities than the coaches.
My question is what do you do when you have a job to accomplish but simply dont have all of the tools or resources you need to complete the task? The only options are to quit and fail to complete the task, or improvise with what you do have to complete the task in the best way you can. The first choice is simply unacceptable and the second may result in completion of the task but likely the result will be less than perfect.
Im afraid that the current toolbox the LSU coaching staff has to work with is stocked with the latest and greatest with one or two exceptions. Let's face it, the QB's on the roster are not the ideal tools for the job. No amount of polishing can turn cubic zerconia into a diamond. Similarly I am increasingly convinced that no amount of development, coaching, or training, can vastly change the performance of our current QB's. If sheer athleticism and physical prowess were all that was needed to have a player capable of being developed into an SEC caliber QB, why are we not hearing crys for TT, PP, RR, KS, or RM to take over at QB? Certainly, the idea that a "good" coach could turn them into SEC caliber qb's seems illogical to all but the most rantarded posters here. That being said why is it so illogical to believe that the failures at QB may lie in the maximum potential of JJ and JL themselves?
If we then agree that there are curretnly limitations that are insurmountable at the OB position how do we improvise an offense with the remaining great tools we have that will complete the task at hand?
A tool designed for another job could be substituted to perform as a QB but with the high likelyhood that there are no better passers on the team it would certainly make the LSU offense VERY one dimensional.
The tools we have could be limited in scope to avoid certain weaknesses (removing the option and flats passes deep in our own side of the field). However, the more the playbook is restricted the easier it is for defenses to focus on the remaining plays that the current non-ideal QB's are poorly executing.
The bottom line is the task to be completed is not an easy one (winning the SECW with a goal of a NC) and doing so with sub par tools is next to impossible. Are there other factors that have left LSU in this situation? Sure, some controllable some not. However, LSU is struggling on offense in spite of all of the talent we have due to the one position that touches the ball every play. Sadly, I am quite certain with all that is at stake if there was a better tool for the job (other than JJ or JL) it would be in use.
As Tiger fans we should support whoever takes the field in the purple and gold and cheer for their success with as much vigor as possible even if it means we are cheering for the best available tool instead of the ideal one.
Let me start by saying that I fully recognize that some players have not had sufficent game time this season to judge their current execution. Furthermore I do not have access to practices or first hand performances by both quaterbacks making me less informed on their comparative abilities than the coaches.
My question is what do you do when you have a job to accomplish but simply dont have all of the tools or resources you need to complete the task? The only options are to quit and fail to complete the task, or improvise with what you do have to complete the task in the best way you can. The first choice is simply unacceptable and the second may result in completion of the task but likely the result will be less than perfect.
Im afraid that the current toolbox the LSU coaching staff has to work with is stocked with the latest and greatest with one or two exceptions. Let's face it, the QB's on the roster are not the ideal tools for the job. No amount of polishing can turn cubic zerconia into a diamond. Similarly I am increasingly convinced that no amount of development, coaching, or training, can vastly change the performance of our current QB's. If sheer athleticism and physical prowess were all that was needed to have a player capable of being developed into an SEC caliber QB, why are we not hearing crys for TT, PP, RR, KS, or RM to take over at QB? Certainly, the idea that a "good" coach could turn them into SEC caliber qb's seems illogical to all but the most rantarded posters here. That being said why is it so illogical to believe that the failures at QB may lie in the maximum potential of JJ and JL themselves?
If we then agree that there are curretnly limitations that are insurmountable at the OB position how do we improvise an offense with the remaining great tools we have that will complete the task at hand?
A tool designed for another job could be substituted to perform as a QB but with the high likelyhood that there are no better passers on the team it would certainly make the LSU offense VERY one dimensional.
The tools we have could be limited in scope to avoid certain weaknesses (removing the option and flats passes deep in our own side of the field). However, the more the playbook is restricted the easier it is for defenses to focus on the remaining plays that the current non-ideal QB's are poorly executing.
The bottom line is the task to be completed is not an easy one (winning the SECW with a goal of a NC) and doing so with sub par tools is next to impossible. Are there other factors that have left LSU in this situation? Sure, some controllable some not. However, LSU is struggling on offense in spite of all of the talent we have due to the one position that touches the ball every play. Sadly, I am quite certain with all that is at stake if there was a better tool for the job (other than JJ or JL) it would be in use.
As Tiger fans we should support whoever takes the field in the purple and gold and cheer for their success with as much vigor as possible even if it means we are cheering for the best available tool instead of the ideal one.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:54 am to just me
sorry just me...more like 18 games...not two years...I still think that he's had adequate time to mature...and it simply hasn't happened. I have stuck by the kid and anticipated that he would improve...I've defended him...but I'm done. The Vandy game was the last straw for me. There's simply NO excuse to choke in that situation. AND that's exactly what happened. He cannot handle the pressure of vandy...therefore he can't handle the pressure of more intense competition.
I have to think that he did so well against GT b/c 1) expectations were low and he played with nothing to lose...he simply wasn't tight b/c of this 2) he had a crap load of time to prepare for a single game/game plan.
I have to think that he did so well against GT b/c 1) expectations were low and he played with nothing to lose...he simply wasn't tight b/c of this 2) he had a crap load of time to prepare for a single game/game plan.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:55 am to Chicken
Well, we certainly wouldn't want to play or, God forbid, START, a different quarterback now! It might disrupt the fantastic rhythm and synchronicity of the offense! 
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:56 am to Bleeding purple
JJ looked like a guy succumbing to increasing pressure.... (Posted on 9/12/10 at 4:55 p.m.)
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of being the starting QB of an under-achieving offense.
He appeared intimidated,
he looked disheartened, even depressed,
he moved in slow motion,
he never exhuded the confidence to inspire his teammates
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Girlfriend and Football
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of being the starting QB of an under-achieving offense.
He appeared intimidated,
he looked disheartened, even depressed,
he moved in slow motion,
he never exhuded the confidence to inspire his teammates
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Girlfriend and Football
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:58 am to tlary
quote:
Can anyone point to a time when JJ actually audibled at the line of scrimmage?
I cant gibe exact times, but he did call audibles against Vandy. Not every series, but he did audible some.
quote:
Can anyone explain why a coach or coaches wouldn't use our WR's to take advantage of deep soft zones
Maybe because they know our QB couldn't hit them if we wanted to? Other than the one long TD against UNC, JJ has been horrible at throwing the long ball.
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The short outs and curls are worthless routes
So 3 short passes arent as effective as 1 long one? If we could actually hit the reciever in stride on some of the short routes, the yac with this group of receivers would be huge. You cant throw the ball >10yards every pass, especially with a QB that isn't accurate.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:59 am to Tigergram
quote:
Well I disagree on Jefferson. He has had all off season to improve and he has not. It is clear that he is not a good college quarterback. He can not lead this team to where we want to be. Competing for SEC championship. I would start Jefferson against State and bring Lee off the bench if we do not move the ball on the first two possesions. If Lee can show that he is as good as Jefferson which is not much. Then start him against west viginia. If he fails to prove he is the better of the two then go back to Jefferson. Sitting Jefferson will do him some good. It sure can't hurt him. His play is pathetic at this time. I also believe that Lee's acuracy down the feild will open up the running game more.
bingo...i agree with this calmly stated and well reasoned point!
Posted on 9/14/10 at 12:03 pm to Krypto
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If we could actually hit the reciever in stride on some of the short routes, the yac with this group of receivers would be huge. You cant throw the ball >10yards every pass, especially with a QB that isn't accurate.
agreed, that's why those short quick passes to the receivers need to be on the money and quick. Otherwise they are just long handoffs that don't allow for the yac.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 12:04 pm to Choctaw
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-accurate within 15 yards (bad game against Vandy)
-ability to scramble
IMO (just my opinion) the upside in JJ is higher than Lee. I've seen JJ have good, even great games. I don't remember the last time Lee had one.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 12:04 pm to CptBengal
I am starting to Fear and Dread the idea that we may run a Two QB system
This will be worse than either of the two playing the position soley.
This will be worse than either of the two playing the position soley.
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