re: Glenn Guilbeau on College Football Live today...

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This team should be 10-2

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I'm thinking 12-0 every year or else.

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Glad the sights have been set so high.

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What would satisfy you?
10?
11?
12?
13?

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The deeper we get into the Miles regime, the more he becomes SOLELY responsible for the results.

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He's been solely responsible since he stepped on campus. This is what the Miles haters refuse to acknowledge.

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Years 1 and 2 were more about the previous coach's recruits. Yes, Les gets credit for the results, but not SOLE credit. Yes, Les gets credit for the results, but not SOLE credit. Year 3, Les gets most of the credit. Years 4 and 5, Les gets all of the credit (some would say blame).

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bullshite...if LSU had gone 3-9 in '05 guess who's getting ALL the blame. I love how you split the years up....quite coincedental.

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Since most of us get to actually watch the games, many like me prefer to take a more substantive approach to analyzing LSU football. With this approach we can take into account what we see on the field, rather that what we read in a box score.

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Correct...and some of us understand that it is difficult to win in the SEC with inexperienced QBs and poor o-line play while others cant see the forest for the trees and decide to blame everything on the head coach.

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if we only go by the results in the box score, certainly Years 4 and 5 should be a more accurate read of the type of coach you have than Years 1 or 2.

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So Miles has been coaching upteen years but you're going to narrow his entire career down to the last two. Pssst...LJ...you're agenda is showing.

This is what i can't understand. Us "Miles apologists" will, without arguement, admit that Miles has f'd up during certain situations and is not without blame.....but for some reason, most you guys just absolutely refuse to give him any type of credit whatsoever. None. Of all his accomplishments while at LSU....y'all can't frickin' utter one good word about the man unless its full of sarcasm. That's pretty pathetic IMO.

Wow! Where do I begin? Choctaw you are usually one of my favorite Miles defenders, but a think you are slipping a bit. All kinds of fail in this post.

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He's been solely responsible since he stepped on campus

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it is difficult to win in the SEC with inexperienced QBs and poor o-line play while others cant see the forest for the trees and decide to blame everything on the head coach.

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Which one is it? Is he solely responsible, or does he get a pass for the poor o-line play?

Here's another question for you. You called for Crowton's dismissal immediately after the season. So, clearly you acknowledge there are problems on this team. Do you want to hold Crowton responsible, or Miles? Why call for Crowton's firing if Miles is solely responsible. You are so eager to defend Miles that you are arguing yourself in circles. Come on, Choctaw you are better than this.

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Pssst...LJ...you're agenda is showing.

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Didn't say I was trying to hide it.

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but for some reason, most you guys just absolutely refuse to give him any type of credit whatsoever

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Did you even bother to read my post? I gave him some credit for years 1 and 2, most of the credit for year 3 and all of the credit for years 4 and 5. I know you are involved in a lot of threads in your crusade to defend Miles from all things Negarant, but slow down a bit and read my post before you start blasting away.

I've got another question for you, and I am genuinely interested in your response. You are on record saying Miles should be fired for a 7-5 season this year. Vegas set the over/under on wins for LSU at 8. This isn't very far from your 7 win ultimatum. Does this concern you at all?

Also, how can you be so strident in your defense of a coach that you think is one 7 win season away from dismissal. I don't get it.

Look at me, look at me...I say stupid outrages things about my hometown football team...pay attention to me. = GG

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Which one is it? Is he solely responsible, or does he get a pass for the poor o-line play?

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He's is responsible but shite happens....he's responsible for kicking RP off the team (understandable)...however, he's not completely responsible for attrition we've had on the o-line. It's not black and white...theres a whole gray area. Thats kinda my whole argument...its not as simple as "blame everything on the head coach".

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You called for Crowton's dismissal immediately after the season. So, clearly you acknowledge there are problems on this team. Do you want to hold Crowton responsible, or Miles? Why call for Crowton's firing if Miles is solely responsible. You are so eager to defend Miles that you are arguing yourself in circles.

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You're taking my use of the word "responsible" way too literally. Everyone knows the head coach is the one that gets the majority of the blame when things go bad. He also delagates...which is why we have OCs, DCs, position coaches, and assistants. I feel that changes can be made within before hanging the head coach from the nearest tree. Miles has made those changes except for Crowton....who i still think should've been let go but i may have been a little emotional after the Penn State game. I hope he can get back to his '07 form.

BTW...i've also said many times that 7 or less wins and its time to start looking for a new HC. 8 or 9 wins and the offense still sucks...its time to get a new OC.

6-6 or less will get him fired. 7-5 if the offense isn't top notch gets Crowton fired as the OC and goat. Unless the recruiting class just falls apart, Les ain't going anywhere with 7 wins this season.

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our average SEC record over the last two seasons is 4-4

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Lucky for LSU and every other sports team in the world, team measurements are taken each season and not each 2 seasons, huh.

Look, if you as an LSU fan wish to somehow belittle/discredit the efforts of the 09 football team by combining its results with another team who had less favorable results, knock yourself out.

I'll see 9 wins, a pretty major bowl bid, and a national ranking for what I think it is...a good season.

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Lets assume arguendo that they lose every other game 66-0 and win every other game 66-0. At the end of the season, what is their record? 4-4, right? So overall the team has a mediocre season. They are simply meediocre with a high standard deviation, but mediocre nonetheless.

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I couldn't disagree more with the characterization of that as mediocore. Schizophrenic maybe or on the take maybe but not mediocre.

And word to the wise: personal insults and gratutitous verbal abuse are not the most effective debating methods. They come across as immature.

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With the amount of money that everyone (including LSU)is spending, the talent that they are bring in, and the most talented coaching staffs in the country, there are going to be years that your best just in not as good as another team's best. I understand that we have had some missed opportunities (Ole Miss, Arky) but still. The ball has just not rolled our way in a couple of games, and in one of them we got royally screwed by crooked SEC officiating(Bama).

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