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re: Oil Spill and Offshore Fishing (Latest Developments)

Posted on 5/2/10 at 5:02 pm to
Posted by ItTakesAThief
Scottsdale, Arizona
Member since Dec 2009
9220 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 5:02 pm to
quote:

BP is the operator. Its BPs responsibility to make sure that the worst possible scenario is considered for any given well and to make sure the drilling company is not only aware of it but the equipment used (including and especially the Cameron BOPs) can handle that scenario.


I can guarantee you that BP was on top of what they were doing here. With Billions of dollars on the line the amount of oversight by any major corporation is mind boggling.

That doesn't mean that something unforseen happens, or when the boots hit the ground something is overlooked or a mistake is made.

They were operating I am sure with whatever is usual and customary in the business. If they werent and there was negligence, it will come out.

Regulators may need to step in and change the customary practices by legislation to make it safer, but it was not a bunch of bozos stumbling around in the night. The guys running the show are professionals and are making the best decisions they can with the information they have.

Hindsight is always 20/20
Posted by lsugradman
Member since Sep 2003
8579 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 5:22 pm to
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I will assume that all you know about the oil and gas industry is that you can pull up to the gas pump and fill your vehicle with the gas that is processed with the oil that is brought to surface by the oil wells in the Gulf.


False. I work in the industry and have been on rigs many times. I have also been on the planning team for several wildcat and development wells.

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The Operator (BP) hires out Transocean to drill a well for them. They work very closely together in all decesion making and planning. They have BP reps on location as well as Transocean Reps. They have meetings several times a day with the folks in the office to discuss current operations and operations moving forward, as well as any unplanned events. They were well aware of the downhole pressures. Everyone was, that is the only way they could have drilled it. They used proper mud weights to offset the reservoir pressures to drill the well safetly. You make it sound like BP hires Transocean and tells them. "Hey I want a well drilled at this location, go drill it and let me know when you are done


When did I ever say that? I was saying that BP is the ultimate responsible party because they are involved in so much of the planning and they are writing the checks. People were trying to absolve BP and point the finger at the service companies. All i was saying is that there are scenarios where maybe BP dropped the ball and it wasnt a failure of equipment. Not saying that is the case here but it may be. I guarantee you BP will be under investigation just as much as TO.
Posted by shaunk128
Houma
Member since Jan 2008
82 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 6:44 pm to
quote:

You are telling me that when a company decides to drill in a certain location they have no idea what zones and what sorts of pressures they are going to encounter there? And that they arent responsible for making sure the drilling co is aware of those issues and their equipment isnt rated appropriately?


This is the statement where you sounded to me that you had no clue about the planning and development of wells. They need to get the operation under control and then the investigation will determine who is at fault. BP will take the most fault over it I am pretty sure because it was on thier property. These companies have contracts where each indivudal company will pay the price for certian things during the event of a disaster.
We cant speculate on who will be most at fault, but we do need to make sure that the 11 lives lost in this accident dosent get overshadowed by the events that are currently taking place. Mother Nature will eventually work herself out. These fathers,brothers,sons, and husbands are gone forever.
Posted by SCTiger
Member since Apr 2005
635 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 6:53 pm to
sorry for the late reply.

My bad on confusing annulus and annular, and I pride myself on good word useage....I am so embarrased!

Ok, I think I get the general idea of the succesively smaller casing in the hole, all cemented in at some point.

The risers are bolted?? Is it a flange joint??

The choke, kil etc are smaller pipe of some sort I understand. how does the drill stem/pipe (the APT threaded stuff ive seen...about 4" od and very heavy wall) progress through the riser with all the other lines in the riser?

What space does the mud return to the rig through?

What goes through the BOP? ie casing, drill stem, riser, choke etc.

Oh yea, It sounds like the BOP is operated as a valve during certain procedures when I hear "open the annular" What am I missing.

Thank you for you response, in my opinion you are doing a very good job explaining, clear, concise, and precise!
Posted by lsugradman
Member since Sep 2003
8579 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 7:05 pm to
quote:

This is the statement where you sounded to me that you had no clue about the planning and development of wells. They need to get the operation under control and then the investigation will determine who is at fault. BP will take the most fault over it I am pretty sure because it was on thier property. These companies have contracts where each indivudal company will pay the price for certian things during the event of a disaster.


I said that statement in response to someone who stated that operators and drillers have no idea what they are going to encounter when drilling wildcat wells, which is flat out untrue.
Posted by shaunk128
Houma
Member since Jan 2008
82 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 7:12 pm to
quote:

I said that statement in response to someone who stated that operators and drillers have no idea what they are going to encounter when drilling wildcat wells, which is flat out untrue.


I apoligize for questioning your knowledge.
Posted by Oyster
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
10224 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 7:25 pm to
SCTiger I think all your answers are on this page.
How it works
This post was edited on 5/2/10 at 7:28 pm
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
47809 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 7:28 pm to

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Posted by GeauxDeep
Houston
Member since Aug 2006
27 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 7:48 pm to
quote:

The risers are bolted?? Is it a flange joint??




The center conductor is the riser...18.75" I think. The smaller lines around the riser are choke, kill, rigid conduit, boost lines.
Posted by GeauxDeep
Houston
Member since Aug 2006
27 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 7:51 pm to
Great link. Check out the well control article.

Posted by SCTiger
Member since Apr 2005
635 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 7:54 pm to
holy cow! thats a pricy looking joint, no wonder it comes in 75' joints.
thanks, that helps.
Posted by SCTiger
Member since Apr 2005
635 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 8:00 pm to
thanks I did look at that one...it was pretty thin. I think it said the casing was concrete pipe, not cemented steel casing
Posted by Oyster
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
10224 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 8:30 pm to
Casing is steel. It is usually cemented into the bigger casing it is fitting inside of. Each progressively smaller string of casing goes deeper and deeper into the well bore to keep it patent. None of the casing top end is thru the BOP
Posted by GM4UA
Mobile, AL
Member since Nov 2008
268 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 8:35 pm to
Here's a pretty good article on what's actually been tried and other plans in the works.

LINK

Is this German? Don't remember seeing this yet.
"Since then, BP has been able to trigger all of the six rams that should shear the drill string and casing and close the well, but they did not stem the flow."
This post was edited on 5/2/10 at 8:44 pm
Posted by boxcarbarney
Above all things, be a man
Member since Jul 2007
22790 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 9:04 pm to
German or not, that was a good read. Thanks for the link.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
28719 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 9:16 pm to
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
36741 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 9:55 pm to
quote:

prolly a dumb question, but did the rig sink due to damage from the fire or from being inundated with seawater from firefighting vessels?

in other words, could the massive spill have been avoided if the fire had continued at the rig/the surface?

obviously the rig couldn't hold up forever with that kind of heat..


Was it not leaking until the rig sank?

And Cadello, ???
Posted by MC123
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
2029 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 10:17 pm to
I just found the story of some fisherman who were tied to the rig when things began to go wrong, and witnessed the explosions. It is an amazing story.

LINK
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 10:58 pm to
Posted by redneck
Los Suenos, Costa Rica
Member since Dec 2003
53629 posts
Posted on 5/2/10 at 11:31 pm to
the hell is that a pic of?
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