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re: Will Durant overtake Lebron in the next three years?
Posted on 4/14/10 at 10:57 am to LSU Fan 90812
Posted on 4/14/10 at 10:57 am to LSU Fan 90812
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this is stupid. this probably isn't LBJ's decision.
I thought I read when he first sat that it he told Brown he wanted to. Maybe not though. It isn't like Mike Brown makes any decisions anyway.
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Peyton sat the entire last colts game.
You might check your facts there pal. Peyton has never missed an NFL start.
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Kobe is sitting out the last 4 as well.
Kobe's actually hurt. I believe LeBron has "bumps and bruises." I believe that was the medical terminology used.
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which stat?
dMULT. Links in my first post which I'm pretty positive no one ever clicked on because no one acknowledged them.
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I'm not at all. I think best case scenario Durant will be able to adequately defend 3s and defend 4s better.
Lebron can defend any position on the court. He has the speed to cover points and the size and strength to adequately cover centers. In fact, he played center at times on the olympic team.
It's not an underestimation to say that KD will never get to that point. That he doesn't have the explosiveness and versatility to do those things. Few people do.
KD already does what you say. And again, since no one ever listens to me, KD is a better defender in his 3rd year, than LBJ was in his 3rd year. Durant's freakishly long arms give him more of an advantage than people realize. He's had to defend anyone from a PG to a C, as LeBron has (He was assigned to Andre Miller and Marcus Camby at different times in the last POR game in OKC).
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Posted on 4/14/10 at 10:58 am to LSU Fan 90812
some people are just obvious Lebron haters and nothing he can do will ever be good enough. He could win the next 15 titles and people will be hating. The guy is the best in the game. This is not downing KD in any way. I love to watch KD play but Lebron is just a special athlete that comes along once in a lifetime. I hate Kobe. Why because he has been the best in the league for years, thats why. Same thing with Lebron
Posted on 4/14/10 at 11:19 am to tigerclaws15
I don't hate LeBron. I do think he has done some really douchey things lately though. His talent is incredible. Undeniable. I just don't think it's outside the realm of possibility KD overtakes him in 3 years (would have to be that third year...haha) and could possibly have the better overall career (more rings).
Posted on 4/14/10 at 11:25 am to Friend of OBUDan
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I do think he has done some really douchey things lately though
Like what?
His teammates love him and he doesn't play selfishly.
Posted on 4/14/10 at 11:38 am to Colonel Flagg
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Like what?
His teammates love him and he doesn't play selfishly.
I mentioned most of my reasons earlier.
Posted on 4/14/10 at 11:50 am to Friend of OBUDan
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I mentioned most of my reasons earlier.
Well if it is based off of him sitting that is retarded as Drew Brees sat the entire last game of the regular season.
If it is based off of not shaking Howard's hand last year that is also stupid. The great Manning did the same thing and no one complained about it. It us also stupid as most of these guys talk to each other all the time in today's NBA. I don't think Howard's crying arse should matter in the situation either.
If it is based off the scoring title comment that is also stupid as what he said is probably true. The point is he isn't selfish and doesn't play his game in a way to always score the most points.
He hasn't been accused of rape, fallen behind on child support, or gotten in fights with people. The guy has been a stand up guy in the NBA and it is ridiculous to criticize him for such stupid shite.
Posted on 4/14/10 at 1:13 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Well if it is based off of him sitting that is retarded as Drew Brees sat the entire last game of the regular season.
If it is based off of not shaking Howard's hand last year that is also stupid. The great Manning did the same thing and no one complained about it. It us also stupid as most of these guys talk to each other all the time in today's NBA. I don't think Howard's crying arse should matter in the situation either.
If it is based off the scoring title comment that is also stupid as what he said is probably true. The point is he isn't selfish and doesn't play his game in a way to always score the most points.
He hasn't been accused of rape, fallen behind on child support, or gotten in fights with people. The guy has been a stand up guy in the NBA and it is ridiculous to criticize him for such stupid shite.
How hard is it for you guys to go back a page or two and actually see what I said?
No one reads a damn thing I say. Him sitting is a bitch move to keep his stats up. That's my opinion. He could stay in the flow of the game, get a little exercise in, not start the playoffs off having not played a game in a week. But unless he played his usual 35-40 minutes a game, his average would drop. Can't have that for Mr. "Check My $tats". And I think it's dumb that Brees didn't play at all the last game and thought it was dumb at the time. shite like that effects things. Hell, the Jets got in the playoffs because Manning got yanked (even though I have less a problem with starters playing a half and then sitting). It completely changes things. How do you think Toronto appreciated LeBron sitting with "bumps and bruises" against Chicago last week? It could cost them a playoff bid, which in turn locks up costing them Bosh, etc. etc.
I didn't give two shits about the Magic thing. I think teams shaking hands at the end of games is stupid anyways.
The scoring title comment can be taken one of two ways.
1) He's arrogant and actually thinks that. I would say if any of LeBron, KD, Wade, Melo, Kobe, Dirk, etc. wanted it they could get it. To say you could whenever you wanted is stupid. Any of those guys could win it if they became selfish ballhogs. So we're supposed to praise LeBron because he doesn't play like an idiot? I think sometimes people link selfish with the number of assists somebody has. That isn't always the case. Durant may average far less assists, but he isn't any more selfish than LBJ. He actually has less FGA per minutes played than LBJ. This last point kind of leads into my second thing.
2) He saw KD on his tail and wanted to diminish his accomplishment, which I mentioned earlier. A little potshot to remind people he's the King. Obviously he wanted the scoring title. How else can you explain him getting pissed off when a foul wasn't called for him as time expired...when they were up 4? He bitched out the ref then wouldn't even celebrate the win with his teammates. If you have another theory, I'd love to hear it. This theory goes hand in hand with his refusal to do the dunk contest. He's the best dunker, possibly of all time, definitely of this era, but he refuses to do the dunk contest even once. Why? What if someone beat him when he trying to win something? That chips away the image of "The Chosen One" that he has worked so hard to perfect. If he's gunning for the scoring title, and a young upstart passes him up, what does that mean for LBJ? If Nate Robinson beats him in a dunk contest, what does that do to his image?
LeBron hasn't done anything like that, that's correct. But that doesn't mean he can't be a douche.
Posted on 4/14/10 at 1:23 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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The scoring title comment can be taken one of two ways.
1) He's arrogant and actually thinks that. I would say if any of LeBron, KD, Wade, Melo, Kobe, Dirk, etc. wanted it they could get it. To say you could whenever you wanted is stupid. Any of those guys could win it if they became selfish ballhogs. So we're supposed to praise LeBron because he doesn't play like an idiot? I think sometimes people link selfish with the number of assists somebody has. That isn't always the case. Durant may average far less assists, but he isn't any more selfish than LBJ. He actually has less FGA per minutes played than LBJ. This last point kind of leads into my second thing.
2) He saw KD on his tail and wanted to diminish his accomplishment, which I mentioned earlier. A little potshot to remind people he's the King. Obviously he wanted the scoring title.
Or he could have simply been downplaying the significance of the scoring title. You may think that he "obviously" wanted it, but I can tell you that he didn't. It's obvious to anyone who follows the Cavs closely. His statement was true also. If he, Durant, Kobe, Melo, Wade, etc set out with their primary goal for the season to win the scoring title they could get it. I'm amused that his comment went so far over so many peoples' heads.
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This theory goes hand in hand with his refusal to do the dunk contest. He's the best dunker, possibly of all time, definitely of this era, but he refuses to do the dunk contest even once. Why? What if someone beat him when he trying to win something? That chips away the image of "The Chosen One" that he has worked so hard to perfect
Your bias is clearly starting to come out in this argument. Why should he compete in the dunk contest against Gerald Wallace, Nate Robinson, and Shannon Brown? You act like he's the only one who opted out. If Dwight had defended his title and Wade had participated Lebron would have been there also.
BTW now that you've annoyed me I'm going to throw this out there: Seattle >>>>>>>>>> OKC, and Clay Bennett is a fat bastard.
Posted on 4/14/10 at 1:30 pm to Friedrich Nietzsche
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Dwight Howard already does that.
Yeah but he is a liability at the end of games because he can't shoot FTs. And Oden is a better man 2 man defender.
Posted on 4/14/10 at 1:34 pm to Friend of OBUDan
LMFAO at anybody thinking Durant is better then Wade now or in 3 years. KD won't ever be s good as Wade is in his prime.
Posted on 4/14/10 at 1:41 pm to LSUtoOmaha
Durant is great and there is no question, but I think Lebron's body mass gives him the slight edge over Durant. I am not sure if this makes sense, but I am just saying that he will be damn close, but I think something like a physical trait will be the only thing you could use to argue that Lebron is better.
Posted on 4/14/10 at 1:52 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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dMULT. Links in my first post which I'm pretty positive no one ever clicked on because no one acknowledged them.
I clicked. I wasn't impressed with the stat. At best it's a snapshot from only one standpoint of defense.
Posted on 4/14/10 at 1:59 pm to Friend of OBUDan
nobody listens to what you say because it's obvious that you dislike Lebron.
(With regard to Peyton? Who cares. He was pulled in the 1st half. Being pulled and not trying to the win the game is the equivalent of not playing to me.)
I LOVE and I mean LOVE both KD and Lebron. They are probably my two favorite players in the NBA aside from Chris Paul.
Your arguments dismiss all analytical and statistical measures to Lebron having some of the best seasons in recent history, and better seasons than anyone not names Michael Jordan.
Lebron is head and shoulders above KD. Durant is a supremely talented youngster who is already on his way to becoming a future HOFer. But right now he is being compared to a player who is an all-timer playing at the beginning of his prime.
Can KD become an all-timer?
As in, Magic, Bird, Wilt, MJ, Kobe, Lebron, Shaq, anddddd KD?
Absolutely.
Is he there now?
no.
Will he be there in 3 years?
maybe.
Here's Hollinger's PER.
LINK
Durant is firmly entrenched at #3. Way behind Lebron and slight behind Wade. The only person to ever have a PER higher than Lebron this year?
MJ. And Lebron last year.
Additionally. Both Lebron and KD are 6'9. Lebron's listed height and weight are the same as when he was at the draft combine when he was 18. He is now 6'9 270.
(With regard to Peyton? Who cares. He was pulled in the 1st half. Being pulled and not trying to the win the game is the equivalent of not playing to me.)
I LOVE and I mean LOVE both KD and Lebron. They are probably my two favorite players in the NBA aside from Chris Paul.
Your arguments dismiss all analytical and statistical measures to Lebron having some of the best seasons in recent history, and better seasons than anyone not names Michael Jordan.
Lebron is head and shoulders above KD. Durant is a supremely talented youngster who is already on his way to becoming a future HOFer. But right now he is being compared to a player who is an all-timer playing at the beginning of his prime.
Can KD become an all-timer?
As in, Magic, Bird, Wilt, MJ, Kobe, Lebron, Shaq, anddddd KD?
Absolutely.
Is he there now?
no.
Will he be there in 3 years?
maybe.
Here's Hollinger's PER.
LINK
Durant is firmly entrenched at #3. Way behind Lebron and slight behind Wade. The only person to ever have a PER higher than Lebron this year?
MJ. And Lebron last year.
Additionally. Both Lebron and KD are 6'9. Lebron's listed height and weight are the same as when he was at the draft combine when he was 18. He is now 6'9 270.
This post was edited on 4/14/10 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 4/14/10 at 2:02 pm to OUandLSUfan
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LMFAO at anybody thinking Durant is better then Wade now or in 3 years. KD won't ever be s good as Wade is in his prime.
Durant is as good as Wade is now. He will be better than Wade in 3 years.
Will he ever dominate a game in the same way or win a championship? maybe not.
But he is at least as productive.
Posted on 4/14/10 at 4:27 pm to lsu xman
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so long as the crab dribble is legal, bron bron will continue to be the top player in the NBA.
I'm fairly certain if the crab dribble was outlawed, Lebron would still be the top player in the NBA, lol.
Oh, and just cause Lebron coined the term "crab dribble" doesn't mean that other top NBA stars do it and also get away with it.
Posted on 4/14/10 at 4:28 pm to OUandLSUfan
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LOL ever heard of that guy I think his last name is Wade. Wade >>>>> Durant now and in 3 years
Touche.
I meant 5 years from now, but IF Dwade can stay healthy, he certainly could be #2 behind Lebron and ahead of KD, but I highly doubt it.
This post was edited on 4/14/10 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 4/14/10 at 4:29 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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What game has Portland been in this year that is meaningless? They've been in the playoff race/seed hunt all year. That's a stupid arse thing to say.
I referred to Roy for the "busting his knee" part, not the meaningless game.
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Massive difference between playing a half and not playing at all. NFL teams don't completely sit their players. The starters at least play some.
2 questions:
1. Did Drew Brees play in week 17 last year?
2. Did ANYONE rip Brees for not playing like LEbron is getting ripped for???
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Durant may average far less assists, but he isn't any more selfish than LBJ. He actually has less FGA per minutes played than LBJ. This last point kind of leads into my second thing
This is actually false. It's awfully close, but I believe KD averages more shots per minute played.
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LeBron - dMULT
KD - dMULT
dMULT explained
There is WAY too much volatility in that dMULT stat for it to have any serious value as a legit metric.
Not to mention it's only ONE aspect of defense and leaves out a ton of things guys can do off the ball.
Also, not to mention, according to that stat, Sefalosha's rating is lower than KD's which is ridiculous as Sefalosha is regarded as one of, it not, the best perimeter on ball defender in the NBA.
This post was edited on 4/14/10 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 4/14/10 at 5:02 pm to shel311
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This is actually false. It's awfully close, but I believe KD averages more shots per minute played.
This is true. Basketball-Reference hadn't updated from last night until recently I guess. It's close. My point still is the same though...Durant isn't any more selfish than LBJ...
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Or he could have simply been downplaying the significance of the scoring title. You may think that he "obviously" wanted it, but I can tell you that he didn't. It's obvious to anyone who follows the Cavs closely. His statement was true also. If he, Durant, Kobe, Melo, Wade, etc set out with their primary goal for the season to win the scoring title they could get it. I'm amused that his comment went so far over so many peoples' heads.
Downplaying the significance of it kinda plays to my point. Whatever though. That outburst he had at the end of what was it, the Bucks game, said it all to me but maybe not.
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Your bias is clearly starting to come out in this argument. Why should he compete in the dunk contest against Gerald Wallace, Nate Robinson, and Shannon Brown? You act like he's the only one who opted out. If Dwight had defended his title and Wade had participated Lebron would have been there also.
I don't think Dwight ever promised a year in advance to be in it...at least he has participated though. You prove my point though by saying "Why should he..." participate against those guys. All the fans want is to see him do it once. Why doesn't he do it? I think he doesn't because it's a no-win situation. If he wins, he was supposed to. If someone beats him with an incredible dunk they come up with, it's the upset of the century. That's just my opinion.
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BTW now that you've annoyed me I'm going to throw this out there: Seattle >>>>>>>>>> OKC, and Clay Bennett is a fat bastard.
Seattle's nice to visit. I was just there in February actually. Had some great seafood at the Crab Pot. I enjoy where I live though. Home is home. Sucks that Seattle lost their team, (Sonics were my favorite team as a kid. Had a Shawn Kemp jersey and GP was my favorite player.) but nothing I do is going to change what happened. Bennett's a capitalist. shite like that happens. I'd blame Schultz more than Bennett for believing an Oklahoma businessman would buy something in Seattle with the intention of keeping it there.
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I clicked. I wasn't impressed with the stat. At best it's a snapshot from only one standpoint of defense.
I'm glad you weren't impressed. Doesn't change the fact that it's the most respected of defensive statistics.
dMULT from Basketball Prospectus
Durant's Improvement Defensively
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nobody listens to what you say because it's obvious that you dislike Lebron.
I dislike some of his actions lately. His game is awesome. I'd think KD was a d-bag too if I ran into him in OKC with a "Check my $tats" t-shirt on.
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Here's Hollinger's PER.
I know Hollinger's PER. I know LeBron is the best in the league and is gunning for MJ's PER record. I've never once slighted LBJ's game on this thread. He's amazing. I just don't think it's absolutely out of the question that KD could pass him 3 years from now. He'll never have the assists for sure, but what if the Thunder sign Bosh in the offseason and KD leads them to a championship (or championships). Not likely, but not out of the realm of possibility. I was mainly arguing for KD to have a chance whenever some people flippantly dismissed him early in the thread.
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1. Did Drew Brees play in week 17 last year?
2. Did ANYONE rip Brees for not playing like LEbron is getting ripped for???
I did. I just think it's weak to completely sit players whenever people pay damn good money to watch you play.
Posted on 4/14/10 at 5:06 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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Sucks that Seattle lost their team, (Sonics were my favorite team as a kid. Had a Shawn Kemp jersey and GP was my favorite player.) but nothing I do is going to change what happened. Bennett's a capitalist. shite like that happens. I'd blame Schultz more than Bennett for believing an Oklahoma businessman would buy something in Seattle with the intention of keeping it there.
Well, I was trying to provoke you and didn't expect such a cool response. I appreciate that. I agree that Schultz is more to blame. I have boycotted Starbucks permanently as a result. Durant seems like a great kid FWIW. He's one of my favorite guys in the NBA, and I wish him and OKC nothing but the best
Posted on 4/14/10 at 5:21 pm to TulaneTigerFan
WTF going on in here
Both Durant and Lebron have great offensive games due to their unique physical attributes
Durant is long and rangy
Lebron is built and bulldozery... lol
Durant might have a little more polished offensive game.
I think Lebron will have the better career. I think Durant will have a higher peak than Lebron in terms of offensive production in a season
Lebron should win more titles if and when....
Lebron will probably win the next 5 MVP's
Though I'd still want Kobe on my team.... lol I just had to say that.... Haha
Both Durant and Lebron have great offensive games due to their unique physical attributes
Durant is long and rangy
Lebron is built and bulldozery... lol
Durant might have a little more polished offensive game.
I think Lebron will have the better career. I think Durant will have a higher peak than Lebron in terms of offensive production in a season
Lebron should win more titles if and when....
Lebron will probably win the next 5 MVP's
Though I'd still want Kobe on my team.... lol I just had to say that.... Haha
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