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Is Les Miles good enough for LSU?
Posted on 12/19/09 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 12/19/09 at 12:04 pm
No matter what your opinion on Miles is in regards to his coaching ability, two things that he does at worst above average to great is recruiting and the hiring of coaching. These are the two things that coaches previous to Saban were failures on. He is keeping enough in state talent and surrounding state talent to keep this program in a competitive state. As well, he hires good enough coaches to recruit and fill the areas he is less than steller. I believe this is what will make Miles better than archer, hallman, and dinardo. Which is why i agree in the similarities between miles and mack brown. They are neither great x and o's coaches just good program mgrs. Brown just probably has more resources at his disposal. LSU will probably be in the true national champ running every 3-5 yrs.
The main question is - what do LSU fans and admin want in a coach?
I am torn with the question because of the risk of actually finding someone better. After the ole piss game I wanted him fired on the spot but after calming down...I have decided to give him a second chance (do i have anyother choice?) and basically next year will be make or break for Miles. After last years debacle he did well enough this year to have optimism for next year but with a lot of "ifs". I believe he is at least an above average coach but a part of me feels we deserve better and can do better than Les Miles especially for the amt of cash we are paying him as citizens of LA and season ticket holders.
So the questions remain...(1)is Les Miles good enough for LSU, (2)can LSU do better, (3) is it worth the risk?
The main question is - what do LSU fans and admin want in a coach?
I am torn with the question because of the risk of actually finding someone better. After the ole piss game I wanted him fired on the spot but after calming down...I have decided to give him a second chance (do i have anyother choice?) and basically next year will be make or break for Miles. After last years debacle he did well enough this year to have optimism for next year but with a lot of "ifs". I believe he is at least an above average coach but a part of me feels we deserve better and can do better than Les Miles especially for the amt of cash we are paying him as citizens of LA and season ticket holders.
So the questions remain...(1)is Les Miles good enough for LSU, (2)can LSU do better, (3) is it worth the risk?
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Posted on 12/19/09 at 12:05 pm to eyeofthetiger3
no,yes,yes
Posted on 12/19/09 at 12:12 pm to eyeofthetiger3
I actually think that remains to be seen.
I don't think just saying "well he won a national championship" ends the debate.
We could list several coaches who've won national championships but would not even be in a discussion of the best college coaches...Danny Ford, the guy at Michigan, Phat Phil, Coker and others.
But neither do I think we can say decisively that the last two years are defining either.
I think we find out in the next year are two. The early commitments for 2011 seemed to have energized us to some extent and given hope.
I'd rather Les prove he is good enough...I just honestly don't think we can say either way right now.
I don't think just saying "well he won a national championship" ends the debate.
We could list several coaches who've won national championships but would not even be in a discussion of the best college coaches...Danny Ford, the guy at Michigan, Phat Phil, Coker and others.
But neither do I think we can say decisively that the last two years are defining either.
I think we find out in the next year are two. The early commitments for 2011 seemed to have energized us to some extent and given hope.
I'd rather Les prove he is good enough...I just honestly don't think we can say either way right now.
Posted on 12/19/09 at 12:13 pm to eyeofthetiger3
The main problem that I have with Miles is that he can't or don't make good adjustments during a game. And yes LSU can do better than MIles. But he is alot better than Archer and the other coaches that you mentioned. Mike Archer flat out sucked.
Posted on 12/19/09 at 12:25 pm to eyeofthetiger3
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So the questions remain...(1)is Les Miles good enough for LSU, (2)can LSU do better, (3) is it worth the risk?
yes, he is good enough, and LSU could do better...the question is "would" LSU do better. At this point in time it would be a big crapshoot and we could easily end up with the next Bill Callahan. With that said, Les must be able to do an honest evaluation of his mis-steps over the past 2 years and do whatever it takes to ensure they don't happen again. IMO, keeping Crowton would be a big mistake.
Posted on 12/19/09 at 12:47 pm to eyeofthetiger3
LSU is in a malaise. It's like the malaise days of Jimmy Carter.
Posted on 12/19/09 at 12:55 pm to eyeofthetiger3
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two things that he does at worst above average to great is recruiting and the hiring of coaching.
Fail. Malveto, Stud, Chavis (next year will tell that tale).
Posted on 12/19/09 at 1:08 pm to eyeofthetiger3
Good God, not this shite again
He is here we are stuck with him- MOVE ONPosted on 12/19/09 at 1:38 pm to eyeofthetiger3
The survey, if that's what it is, is a year too early. LSU is going to keep Miles through the 2010 season even if Joe Pa mops the floor with us. If we don't win the West next year, I think Aleva & Co. will be forced to start looking for a new coach. By this time next year if we find ourselves in the same position we are now, the fan base will be united and in open revolt.
Posted on 12/19/09 at 3:34 pm to eyeofthetiger3
unsure, probably not, no
Posted on 12/19/09 at 6:05 pm to eyeofthetiger3
Not enuf people on this board remember the the Archer, Hallman, and Dinardo years. Not to mention Stovall.
I have to admit thatI've been spoiled by the 2 NC and consistent success of 2001 - 2007.
But LSU has a lousy record of hiring coaches in general. And there are only a couple of Saban's, Stoops, Carrolls, Meyers, etc. to hire. And frankly, those guys aint coming to LSU. So a replacement would have to be an assumed up-and-comer like Saban was and Miles was supposed to be. Thats a risk no matter who is doing the hiring, and as I said, LSU has many, many more mishires than homeruns.
Is Miles perfect? No. But has he proven he can win in the SEC? Yes.
That already puts him ahead of anybody who would take the LSU job at this point.
He can recruit, and he is not afraid to change his staff when things arent working. But he has managed to do it in a way that allows assistants to find employment and save face. Think what you will, but that's classy.
Yes, I think LSU under Saban or Stoops or Meyer would be better overall, on a year to year basis. But we could roll the dice on someone thought to be the next big thing, and fail big-time. The SEC is a meat-grinder, and flaws are exposed quickly and ruthlessly.
If Miles continues to lose to AL and FL, then recruiting will suffer and his ability to lure big-name coordinators will suffer, and then he needs to go. Until that happens, we should appreciate the good traits that he has, support the team, and hope for more years like 2007.
In the 1990's a 9 - 3 record would have gotten the coach a 5yr extension. Everyone goes thru down cycles. Give Les a chance to put LSU back on top.
I have to admit thatI've been spoiled by the 2 NC and consistent success of 2001 - 2007.
But LSU has a lousy record of hiring coaches in general. And there are only a couple of Saban's, Stoops, Carrolls, Meyers, etc. to hire. And frankly, those guys aint coming to LSU. So a replacement would have to be an assumed up-and-comer like Saban was and Miles was supposed to be. Thats a risk no matter who is doing the hiring, and as I said, LSU has many, many more mishires than homeruns.
Is Miles perfect? No. But has he proven he can win in the SEC? Yes.
That already puts him ahead of anybody who would take the LSU job at this point.
He can recruit, and he is not afraid to change his staff when things arent working. But he has managed to do it in a way that allows assistants to find employment and save face. Think what you will, but that's classy.
Yes, I think LSU under Saban or Stoops or Meyer would be better overall, on a year to year basis. But we could roll the dice on someone thought to be the next big thing, and fail big-time. The SEC is a meat-grinder, and flaws are exposed quickly and ruthlessly.
If Miles continues to lose to AL and FL, then recruiting will suffer and his ability to lure big-name coordinators will suffer, and then he needs to go. Until that happens, we should appreciate the good traits that he has, support the team, and hope for more years like 2007.
In the 1990's a 9 - 3 record would have gotten the coach a 5yr extension. Everyone goes thru down cycles. Give Les a chance to put LSU back on top.
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