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LSU will defeat Arkansas

Posted on 11/27/09 at 7:22 am
Posted by craignettles
Member since Jan 2005
3302 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 7:22 am
Despite the hidden desires of some "fans" for LSU to lose, so that their argument against Les Miles will have more impetus, LSU will win Saturday. Why will they win?

1. We are playing at home at night.
2. We are 15th (how can we be, if we are so horrible) and Arkansas is not ranked.
3. Most telling is that the bookies, you know the ones who don't allow their emotion to determine winners have us favored by 3 1/2.

Our own fans are many times our own enemies. Fair weather fans not attending because they are upset are not true fans. Idiotic statements such as, "what if we did not have a goal line stand, or what if there was no penalty in the Ga. game." give no consideration to games that did go the other way in close calls.

Miles can be criticized for many things, yet the same OC who is being raked over the coals had Ohio State so confused in the NCG, that they literally did not know what was coming next.

Ok, the worst part of Miles coaching is game management, yet he somehow wins. Maybe an experienced QB would help the team, (Think Oklahoma, Michigan and USC).

Blunders, gee, what is the Yale coach going through today, Mark Ritch(sp?) when he ran the ball from the three with no timeouts, failed to score and could not get another play off, is feeling the affects from seven years ago. How about the best coach ever, when the Patriots, with a lead and two minutes to go, try for a fourth and two and fail. Only because everyone believes he may be the greatest is the reason he is not being raked over the coals.
How about that fiasco at the Capital One Bowl in 2004 on the last play.
My point is that coaches screw up. Looking at the bottom line is the key. Does this LSU coached team have a better overall special teams during this five years than 99% of the rest of the teams in the NCAA? Should Miles get credit.

How many extra points did LSU miss during the five years of his predecessor?
Does Miles need to improve his game management with the clock? Of course he does and the last 3 minutes of the Ole Miss game were great and horrible.
There are many of you out there that are blaming Jefferson. We have a weak OL and he is a true Sophomore. He is playing better than Flynn and Russell did as Sophomores who were redshirted. Personally, I think he is doing well and needs to improve on his decision making. I like our chances with an injury free Jefferson at QB.
Does Miles get credit for his undefeated bowl record? What coaches out there with four or more years have an undefeated bowl record? No wait, what coaches out there have a record of demolishing their opponents in bowls? Notre Dame, Miami, Ohio State, Ga. Tech are not chopped liver. (Well at least the year we played Notre Dame)
How many coaches have out recruited Miles? He gets blamed for his first year with only 13 recruits (I think it was 14 with Jean-Francois a late signee). Who was to blame for LSU having so few scholarships that year? This effected last year and this year the most, as they were the Seniors and fifth year players of now.
If a coach recruits high numbers without regard to a fifth year, with the limitations of 25 scholarships a year and no more than 85 at one time, what happens to recruiting that fifth year? You will see that in the 2011 season of LSU's predecessor's current team.
The point is simple. Miles is not the best. He recruits well, has great special teams and good defenses (forget last year). Hires good assistants, even Crowton. If these two are incompatible, then he needs to go. I like him with an experienced quarterback.
Let's see how we end the season and what happens next year with what I believe are more talented OL players who will have that year of experience under their belts.

Of course, if we lose to Arkansas ..........

Posted by SOL
Garland, TX
Member since Jan 2004
2950 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 7:34 am to
The play against Tech and OM does not give me great confidence. We also do not have 4 healthy RBs
Posted by McChowder
Hammond
Member since Dec 2006
5754 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 7:42 am to
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Of course, if we lose to Arkansas ..........

Yes? "if we lose to Arkansas"........then what?

Auburn is the only team we have beaten this year with fewer than 5 loses. Think about that for a minute when you boast about our ranking. We may finish this season where our most accomplished victory came agaisnt a 5 loss team (If we beat Arkansas and after Bama beats Auburn).

We are a middle of the pack SEC team this year......same as last year.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216521 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 7:43 am to
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1. We are playing at home at night



This means NOTHING!!!!


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We are 15th (how can we be, if we are so horrible) and Arkansas is not ranked



You think Arkie cares about this?????



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Most telling is that the bookies, you know the ones who don't allow their emotion to determine winners have us favored by 3 1/2.



again, THIS MEANS NOTHING!!!!!!
Posted by mardigrarita
Shreveport, LA
Member since Feb 2008
889 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 7:49 am to
You lost all credibility with me and I stopped reading when you stated anti-Miles fans want the Tigers to lose. You obviously don't get it.
Posted by Me
Nebraska
Member since Oct 2003
5299 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 8:04 am to
This is the exact same thing that happened last year: tough loss to Bama, crap against lower tier school, then loss to Ole Miss, and then loss to Arkansas. It's what happened last year and I see nothing that leads me to expect differently this time.
Posted by craignettles
Member since Jan 2005
3302 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 8:34 am to
I do believe that playing LSU at night at home does make a difference. It has been and will continue to be. As to bookies, check out their records and see how close they are to predicting. If you pick the winner by the spread, and do not take into account the spread, you will see how accurate as to the winner they are.

If Miss. State defeats Ole Miss, and we beat Arkansas. We are undisputed third behind Fla. and Bama, who are much better than any others. We lost to Fla, with their only touchdown which was offensive holding. We had a lead against Bama in the fourth Quarter. We lost it, but we all know with the non called interception we had a chance to win that game.

We lost, therefore we have an 8-3 record. What was the prediction at the beginning of the year. Optimists, said 10-2, realists said 8-4. Those who said with luck, 9-3. That is where we are folks.

Also, the reasons given were 1. Young QB, 2. Questionable OL. 3. New DC.

Pretty accurate, right. Now if you had to predict for next year, what will it be? Do we have a chance against Fla. without Tebow? I figure next year, taking talent, coaching and opponents that we are 10-2. Now that is not good enough for some, but I would be happy with it and hope for better. I also see that after Miles has his full recruiting in, that this is more realistic with a potential better record than that. I also believe that he will continue his bowl winning streak.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216521 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 8:44 am to
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I do believe that playing LSU at night at home does make a difference. It has been and will continue to be




Well I was at the last night game against Tech. If LSU plays like it did that night, Arkie will destroy them.
Posted by woopiginaustin
Moderator
Member since Jun 2008
8590 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 9:12 am to
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1. We are playing at home at night.


This is an advantage to LSU without question



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2. We are 15th (how can we be, if we are so horrible) and Arkansas is not ranked.


Your team just took a kick to the gut unlike any in recent memory. Your fanbase is restless, your coach is a moron, and the players are not blind to either of the above. You are also "15th" based on the pleasures of high preseason expectation, which you have failed to meet mind you. If you started out ranked #20- #25, you would be somewhere in that neighborhood or worse today.

Arkansas on the other hand is on a 4 game streak, the longest of Petrino's tenure at Arkansas, everyone and everything is clicking, and the Hogs are looking to extend the streak over LSU to 3.

Your current poll position is the weakest, most irrelevant of all your points.




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3. Most telling is that the bookies, you know the ones who don't allow their emotion to determine winners have us favored by 3 1/2.


I wager daily. You couldn't be more wrong.

Actually, home teams typically receive 3 to 6 points just for being home. Anyone with even the most elementary of Vegas knowledge looks at this line and says "Geez, Vegas expects Arkansas to go down there and knock them off".

Additionally, lines point to to where the money is, not the prediction of wise guys. Last night A&M was a 21 1/2 pt dog, the Broncos 5 1/2 pt favorites, Clemson was favored by 10 at home........and those are just 3 wildly inaccurate lines from a 8 hour span yesterday afternoon.









I could go on and on. This game is a complete toss-up that LSU, in my opinion, will probably win.


But your post was probably one of the worst in the history of Tigerdroppings. That says a lot if you have ever read some of the crap I have posted.
This post was edited on 11/27/09 at 11:04 am
Posted by WelcomeToDeathValley
1st & 1st
Member since Aug 2006
16947 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 9:19 am to
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If Miss. State defeats Ole Miss, and we beat Arkansas. We are undisputed third behind Fla. and Bama, who are much better than any others. We lost to Fla, with their only touchdown which was offensive holding. We had a lead against Bama in the fourth Quarter. We lost it, but we all know with the non called interception we had a chance to win that game.


and had florida lost, we beat bama, and then texas lost last night TCU would be #1
Posted by McChowder
Hammond
Member since Dec 2006
5754 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 10:59 am to
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2. Questionable OL

BS. I'll give you the other points, but OL? Most people believed the OL would be one of the strengths of this team.

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1) young QB

......but more experienced with fewer turnovers.
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3. New DC.

........who could hardly be expected to do worse.

You have to understand that most realists predicted better results IN LIGHT of our tough schedule. That being 9-3. However, our schedule strength has turned out to be vastly different than most expected. Pre-season 4th ranked Ole Miss fell of a cliff and is unranked. Same with pre-season 13th ranked UGA. If we had gone into this season knowing how bad the Bulldogs were going to be or the Rebs, dont you think our predictions would have been even higher? More like 10-2 or 11-1? If you put it in perspective, you can see why this season has fallen short.
Posted by puttytat
BEACH
Member since Apr 2005
5374 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 11:16 am to
"the worst part of Miles coaching is game management, yet he somehow wins"

....no, he doesn't. Miles is 7-8 vs. SEC opponents the last two years. It is very obvious what direction this program is heading, and it would be very difficult to find a player that Miles has recruited that you can say actually has IMPROVED. The only thing consistent we have seen the last two years is the illegal procedures, false starts, illegal substitutions, and delay of game penalties. Sure Miles and co. can coach when they have the players that are seasoned and know what is going on (i.e. fifth year senior Matt Flynn), but leave it up to them to coach, teach, and groom players and they are clueless. These mistakes and lack of coaching have finally caught up with this coaching staff.....they are who they are, and football at LSU will not improve until changes are made.
Posted by ipodking
#StopTalkingAboutWomensSports
Member since Jun 2008
58972 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 11:19 am to
LSU will win. i dont have 5 paragraphs exlpaining why, but it will happen!
Posted by puttytat
BEACH
Member since Apr 2005
5374 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 11:24 am to
"LSU will win."

....I hope we do, ipodking.....it would be nice, but I also know that our problems are not just wiped away with a victory over an average, unranked team (not to say that you think that way.....I am just sayin' )
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
117707 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 11:25 am to
If I were a betting man I'd take Ark and the 3+ points for one simple reason. I'm not convinced LSU can pressure Ryan Mallet and if he has all day to throw he'll rack up big yards. The LSU pass rush has not been impressive thus far and Ark has a very good offensive line. It's going to be a close game and a high scoring one.
Posted by pochejp
Gonzales, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2007
8124 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 11:28 am to
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LSU will defeat Arkansas


Nope. Les will lose this one too.
Posted by Hogules
Huntington
Member since Jun 2008
284 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 11:36 am to
Ummm yeah, that whole Vegas betting line argument is off the wall crazy.

Betting lines are established to elicit bets from BOTH sides at approximately an even number and not based on how "bookies" actually feel the game will turn out.

The betting line has no bearing on how the actual game is perceived by bookies, mobsters, or aliens from another world...........
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