More like a flaw in your ability to read a fricking post. When did I say they were 11-1? I said they were 9-3 with two close losses. After Saban wins a national title, his next team that loses the majority of its stars goes 9-3 and is 11-1 had those same stars been back another year. He maintained the program, but he lost his experienced stars.

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I'm really tiring of hearing this. I give Saban all the credit in the world for providing the tools for success, but it takes a good coach to utilize that talent. Miles won with those players in 2005, 2006, and 2007. Saban was in Miami. He didn't sustain crap.

But Miles isn't a good coach. You are seeing now and will continue to see that he isn't a good coach. Saban stacked the program with guys who were ridiculously talented and didn't overly frick up team chemistry. Without Saban, a lot of those guys aren't at LSU, so whether you want to call it sustaining or not, you have to give partial credit to him for that success because those guys were wearing an LSU uniform because of Saban.

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Note that I'm not arguing that he CAN'T maintain programs after building them, just that he leaves before faced with that challenge.

He left LSU for what he thought was his dream job. He sucked at that, so he came back to the closest thing to LSU available. He isn't leaving Bama anytime soon unless it's for retirement.

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Posted by chilge1

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Posted on 10/16/09 at 12:03 am to AlexLSU

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More like a flaw in your ability to read a fricking post. When did I say they were 11-1? I said they were 9-3 with two close losses. After Saban wins a national title, his next team that loses the majority of its stars goes 9-3 and is 11-1 had those same stars been back another year. He maintained the program, but he lost his experienced stars.

Why even mention the losses to Iowa and Auburn if you're not trying to give some merit to the season? I'm fully aware of what you said. I countered by saying that no matter how close the losses were, they were losses. Would they have been had those star players returned? Most certainly not. But it's the job of the coach to cope with such losses and he failed at doing so, to a degree.

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But Miles isn't a good coach. You are seeing now and will continue to see that he isn't a good coach. Saban stacked the program with guys who were ridiculously talented and didn't overly frick up team chemistry. Without Saban, a lot of those guys aren't at LSU, so whether you want to call it sustaining or not, you have to give partial credit to him for that success because those guys were wearing an LSU uniform because of Saban.

You're right. Charles Alexander and Harry Coleman are wearing LSU uniforms because of Nick Saban. I give him all the credit for bringing us a national championship and the recipe for success in years to come. But you can't give him Miles' wins because he provided the raw talent.

FWIW, I can't say at this point that Miles is not a good coach. The man has a winning percentage over .800. And don't bring the Larry Coker argument in here because I can name far more examples of coaches who inherited a talented team and did amazing things with it.

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He left LSU for what he thought was his dream job. He sucked at that, so he came back to the closest thing to LSU available. He isn't leaving Bama anytime soon unless it's for retirement.

A bold statement, but nothing more than an opinion. His track record shows his tendencies, and although he might very well stay at Alabama, his past indicates that he's more likely to flee should an opportunity present itself.

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Posted by lsutiger2486

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Member since Nov 2007

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Posted on 10/16/09 at 4:24 am to AlexLSU

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But Miles isn't a good coach. You are seeing now and will continue to see that he isn't a good coach. Saban stacked the program with guys who were ridiculously talented and didn't overly frick up team chemistry. Without Saban, a lot of those guys aren't at LSU, so whether you want to call it sustaining or not, you have to give partial credit to him for that success because those guys were wearing an LSU uniform because of Saban.

I call Bull shite on this. The only thing Saban contributed to the 2005-present team is basically recruiting. Any prestige falls into recruiting. The fact that Miles has recruited as well and did the main thing Saban did in recruiting(lock down the state) totally throws out the idea that things have been different between 2005-present. Miles has been the guy leading us through the NC, top 5 finishes, and the rough season. A major thing that completely fricked LSU was the coaching transition and RP. The dumb DC shite last year was the only big thing in his control. He had a lot of very young players coming in and we didn't have much of a 2005 class. Miles took RP like 99% of the others coaches would have and RP fricked our QB system. He was going to scare away other huge QB recruits because he was talented and young. We invested in him then he was gone after he was expected to be the future QB for two years.

Saban lucked out big time because of dumb arse people giving him credit for shite that he didn't do. He got so much credit for LSU 2005-2007 it is ridiculous. It basically allowed him to bring hype easily to his recruiting. It was like giving help to someone who didn't even need it.

LSU is also #2 in recruiting at the moment. If they land Lache I would assume that is at least where it will finish.

LSU is a top 5 program and has a good coach. You can't criticize him for the bad season and not praise him for the good. If you believe LSU was winning on talent alone it is still there so it should continue.

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