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Posted on 10/14/09 at 8:53 pm
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Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2008
51 posts
Posted on 10/14/09 at 8:53 pm
our team is 5-1 with a 10 point loss to Fl. If I told you Aug 31st this would be our record at the bye most of us would be excited to push for west, a rematch with Fl. and who knows. Instead, we have all seen the sometimes disgusting play on the field during these wins and loss. We feel more losses are out there. Here is the problem, do we throw players and coaches under the bus for record we would have been satisfied with a few weeks ago? Do we wait for the losses that appear to be coming and do nothing? There is no easy answer. I live and die LSU but it would be clearer if we were 3-3 (as we very well could be if not for one or two plays). I am all for some changes on offense, but Miles seems content with the record he would have taken at the start of the season and let it play out. One thing is sure, if we see the same offense in 2 weeks thats all you're going to get this year.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
73078 posts
Posted on 10/14/09 at 8:55 pm to
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thats all you're going to get this year.


I'm going with this hunch. I kept thinking I was going to get something different and better with each game last year. And it didn't happen until the bowl game.
Posted by Tomm
Member since Aug 2009
1298 posts
Posted on 10/14/09 at 8:56 pm to
Deep breaths....in......out......calm down
Posted by ginms
Ridgeland Ms
Member since Aug 2007
1885 posts
Posted on 10/14/09 at 8:59 pm to
We are spoiled. Bottom line.

And believe me I have been around since 75 so I have seen it all.

Heads up people
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 10/14/09 at 9:02 pm to
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If I told you Aug 31st this would be our record at the bye most of us would be excited to push for west, a rematch with Fl. and who knows.


I'd be excited if you told me that. However, if you also told me that we had yet to play a good football game, I'd be disappointed.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37618 posts
Posted on 10/14/09 at 9:08 pm to
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Here's a major reason why many LSU football fans are upset/concerned/frustrated/pissed about where the football program sits right now.

I've heard many great coaches talk about results oriented evaluation vs performance oriented evaluation. Bertman spoke of this often in his speeches. Lombardi, Chuck Knoll, Wooden & many others have all mentioned this in some form or fashion & it makes perfect sense.

The basic premise is that at certain times (during a season, during a game, during a drive, during an inning) it is more important to be concerned only with results....the outcome, regardless of how you get that result. Example is with a runner on 3rd, < 2 outs, infield back, you can have as bad a swing as you want as long as you hit a ground ball & score the run. There are only so many instances when results oriented trumps performance oriented.
The vast majority of the time, however, players & coaches are performance oriented in their evaluation b/c in the long run, that is what will determine success (including wins & losses).
Dismissing the downward trend in the performance of this program over the past years is a bad move IMO. Hyping a 5-1 YTD record is results oriented & is fool's gold. What if we'd played TU & LT b/4 UF? We'd be 7-0 with the most difficult teams yet to play. The only record that matters is at season's end. We were 5-1 last year & finished terrible. It could easitly happen this year unless major adjustments are made. Objectively looking at the way the team has played the past 2 years, I can't think of any reason drastic adjustments will be made.
If you think that the performance of this program is at a high level then fine, I wish I had your blind, peaches & cream outlook. If you're happy with a 5-1 record, you're results oriented and not focused on the big picture.
Two years ago (when the performance started going down), many people wondered how many times LSU could pull out the closest of close wins. Last year the results caught up to the performance. This year, with the most diffucult part of the SEC schedule ahead, it's likely to happen again unless there are huge changes.
Posted by Tomm
Member since Aug 2009
1298 posts
Posted on 10/14/09 at 9:13 pm to
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I'd be excited if you told me that. However, if you also told me that we had yet to play a good football game, I'd be disappointed.


The second half of the Washington game was a good one for LSU. About 3/4 of the Georgia game was a good one for LSU. Nobody plays flawless football for 4 quarters anymore. Ask Urban Meyer when they spent the night in LSU territory and scored a grand total of 1 TD. And how did that 4th and 2 work out for Florida when they tried an end around and lost about 1/2 yard.
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 10/14/09 at 9:30 pm to
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Nobody plays flawless football for 4 quarters anymore


I never said flawless. Alabama's last few SEC games have been good football games. Florida's game against Kentucky was good. Hell, even Tennessee has played a really good game (Georgia). LSU has yet to play one.
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