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re: Scott van Pelt...demanding a playoff
Posted on 1/9/09 at 12:38 am to LfcSU3520
Posted on 1/9/09 at 12:38 am to LfcSU3520
I know, that's why I would have no problem with an 8 team playoff. If there is a rare year where a 9-3 team does sneak in, but then goes on to beat 3 straight elite teams, then they've earned the right to be called national champions... more so than a 12-1 team winning 1 game that they earned the right to play in via a computer formula with biased human elements.
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Posted on 1/9/09 at 12:40 am to Ghazi
exactly...especially when they play a team who may or may not have deserved to be there
LSU 03, Miami 01, UF 08
LSU 03, Miami 01, UF 08
Posted on 1/9/09 at 12:42 am to LfcSU3520
quote:Maybe...but it would be interesting to see all the BCS No 5 and 6's before the bowl games, to see what teams would have been left out in a 4-team playoff, and I would like to see what teams would have had a shot in a 8 team playoff.
You're a smart guy chicken, so you have to see why this is absurd.
They were #5, 6 because we all guessed that's what they were.
maybe 8 makes sense long term, but logistically, it will be a tough sell, and it is such a big jump from the current system.
This post was edited on 1/9/09 at 12:43 am
Posted on 1/9/09 at 12:44 am to Chicken
quote:
Maybe...but it would be interesting to see all the BCS No 5 and 6's before the bowl games, to see what teams would have been left out in a 4-team playoff, and I would like to see what teams would have had a shot in a 8 team playoff.
Why don't we just look at last year's WVU team who embarrassed OU? WVU would've been left out, OU would have gotten in.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 12:45 am to Chicken
quote:
it will be a tough sell, and it is such a big jump from the current system.
agreed but our current system is so fricked up that you can't baby step away from it...it'll only create more controversy
either do it right or you just end up with more stupid arse argument ammo
Posted on 1/9/09 at 1:59 am to LfcSU3520
The only reason that taking conference champs is a bad idea right now is because the Big East sucks. It will take a while for them to recover after their best teams were snagged by the ACC, but once they get up to 12 teams the Big East Champ won't usually suck. So I don't think taking conference champs is a bad idea.
The biggest problem in using the BCS rankings is that there just aren't enough inter-conference games to get a good measure of conference strength. Two years ago we had OSU and Mich sitting on top. This year the Big-12 was given excessive credit.
I still like a 10 team format with 6 conference champs and the 4 at-large playing a week early. Admittedly, one of the conference champs will likely be weak, but if you seed the teams according to BCS rank once you reach a field of 8 then they'll start against the #1 team.
The biggest problem in using the BCS rankings is that there just aren't enough inter-conference games to get a good measure of conference strength. Two years ago we had OSU and Mich sitting on top. This year the Big-12 was given excessive credit.
I still like a 10 team format with 6 conference champs and the 4 at-large playing a week early. Admittedly, one of the conference champs will likely be weak, but if you seed the teams according to BCS rank once you reach a field of 8 then they'll start against the #1 team.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 1:59 am to Stewie Griffin
Nothing can happen until 2014 when the next rose bowl contract is up
Posted on 1/9/09 at 2:02 am to usc6158
quote:
Nothing can happen until 2014 when the next rose bowl contract is up
you throw a president who wants something to happen+ the publicity this would give congress= very quick changes
Posted on 1/9/09 at 2:04 am to LfcSU3520
You throw in Ram Trucks and the money the spend on 1,000 commercials in the 1st Quarter and you have the great equalizer.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 2:06 am to Trojan Ace
you think having a playoff game where USC is playing Bama or Miami is playing OU for a shot in the national title game wouldn't draw ratings out the arse?
Just think of the hype for the USC OSU game this year...now imagine if that was a game playoff game
the hype would be through the roof which means the money would follow
Just think of the hype for the USC OSU game this year...now imagine if that was a game playoff game
the hype would be through the roof which means the money would follow
Posted on 1/9/09 at 2:17 am to LfcSU3520
They sell the concept.
They can't control the teams.
That's AD 101...
They can't control the teams.
That's AD 101...
Posted on 1/9/09 at 4:47 am to Trojan Ace
what if during the 4 game playoff
#1(13-0) lose by 1 to #4(12-2)
#2(12-0) lose to #3(12-2)
then
#4 beat #3
that would suck for the #1 and #2 team who went undefeated pre-playoffs
#1(13-0) lose by 1 to #4(12-2)
#2(12-0) lose to #3(12-2)
then
#4 beat #3
that would suck for the #1 and #2 team who went undefeated pre-playoffs
Posted on 1/9/09 at 5:18 am to lsu xman
quote:
that would suck for the #1 and #2 team who went undefeated pre-playoffs
yeah it would suck that they couldn't do what they were supposed to do
The Patriots last year won every game but the one that mattered
Posted on 1/9/09 at 5:27 am to LfcSU3520
Anyone else think the 12th game is lame. It just gets filled by no name 1AA scrub filler. I don't think I'd miss it much if they went back to 11 games. That 1 extra game of action doesn't really provide much as it is usually against a cupcake and usually a blowout.
Felt like posting here, too lazy to start a thread.
Felt like posting here, too lazy to start a thread.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 11:06 am to Ghazi
quote:
that would suck for the #1 and #2 team who went undefeated pre-playoffs
I think most people enjoyed watching the Patriots lose last year. I guess it "sucks" for them... it sucks every time your team loses. But as you know, in sports teams & athletes are defined by their performances during post-season play more than anything else.
A playoff system makes more sense in college football than any other sport, IMO. College conferences are so lop-sided and fickle that you cannot gauge a team's worth on their record... or how the AP/coaches vote. You need a playoff to hash it out.
Top 8 teams. You have to win and win often to make the top 8. It won't cheapen the regular season - it will add value to it. The regular season is cheapened by the current system. What did Utah's regular season mean? What was it worth? Nothing.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 12:46 pm to Stewie Griffin
They weren't demanding one following the 2004 season when Auburn was left out nor were they demanding one following the 2005 season.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 2:55 pm to Switzerland
I like 4 rather than 8 because if it's 8 then every year ND goes 9-3 they will get in regardless of who they lost to.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 2:57 pm to Chicken
i like 8 teams
Posted on 1/9/09 at 3:26 pm to PortCityTiger24
Choosing a # of teams will never work. A hard and fast top numerical system will always lead to people being left out. Always.
The only fair thing to do would be put ALL teams in a conference. Keep some sort of BCS like computer/person ranking system that kicks in once each conference has it's championship game ranking all conference championship participants. It essentially seeds the teams for you.
At this point we would have 12 conference champions. As stated, the poll determines the seeding and teams ranked #s 1 and 2 have first round bye.
After teams 3 threw 12 play each other we take the remainder PLUS the highet ranked conference losers (two of them having to play in a 'play in game' that plays at #1 ranked team's home in the 2nd round. We just let attrition do its thing at this point.
All teams that enter playoffs are assured of 2 things. A: Each conference will have a representative. B: ONLY the winner of the conference has a right to move on - and the runner up who plays #1
This allows everyone to participate but we can still have the flashy KEEP IT IN THE NEWS AND HOTLY DEBATED rankings bs that generates the buzz. But it's only factor is in seeding, NOT who makes it.
All other teams (I would guess the conference runner's ups) can compete in the Insight bowl, and CrabShack bowl and whatever else.
But the big boy bowls get their headlining power matchups.
By far the best system I can come up with.
The only fair thing to do would be put ALL teams in a conference. Keep some sort of BCS like computer/person ranking system that kicks in once each conference has it's championship game ranking all conference championship participants. It essentially seeds the teams for you.
At this point we would have 12 conference champions. As stated, the poll determines the seeding and teams ranked #s 1 and 2 have first round bye.
After teams 3 threw 12 play each other we take the remainder PLUS the highet ranked conference losers (two of them having to play in a 'play in game' that plays at #1 ranked team's home in the 2nd round. We just let attrition do its thing at this point.
All teams that enter playoffs are assured of 2 things. A: Each conference will have a representative. B: ONLY the winner of the conference has a right to move on - and the runner up who plays #1
This allows everyone to participate but we can still have the flashy KEEP IT IN THE NEWS AND HOTLY DEBATED rankings bs that generates the buzz. But it's only factor is in seeding, NOT who makes it.
All other teams (I would guess the conference runner's ups) can compete in the Insight bowl, and CrabShack bowl and whatever else.
But the big boy bowls get their headlining power matchups.
By far the best system I can come up with.
This post was edited on 1/9/09 at 3:31 pm
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