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re: Is Jaguar done as a vehicle brand?
Posted on 3/11/24 at 11:29 pm to DesScorp
Posted on 3/11/24 at 11:29 pm to DesScorp
quote:
"You see, you have a Lucas type four generator on a 12-volt system, and you know the British. They'd rather spend time gluing wood on a dashboard than getting the electrical system right."
"It's a handsome design."
"I wish it ran."
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 11:32 pm to WestSideTiger
quote:
I did find myself pronouncing it JAG-you-are
Jog-uh-wer
And say it very fast; especially make the last two syllables sound like gibberish
Posted on 3/12/24 at 5:22 am to Kafka
quote:
old English saying
Years ago bumper stickers were sometimes seen on Jags saying “All of the parts falling off of this car were made by the finest British craftsmen”
Posted on 3/12/24 at 5:25 am to Simon Gruber
Mad Men was right:
Bert Cooper said he heard that they included a tool kit with each car.
Bert Cooper said he heard that they included a tool kit with each car.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 6:02 am to tiggerthetooth
JLR is a train wreck right now
It’s sad, but this make sense.
It’s sad, but this make sense.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 6:15 am to tiggerthetooth
I figured Tata could fix their mess guess I was wrong. The electrical systems in jags were bad now going totally electrical WOW
This post was edited on 3/12/24 at 6:17 am
Posted on 3/12/24 at 6:37 am to tiggerthetooth
Not sure if the email is legit but the EV strategy for the company is true.
Jaguar’s EVs are unfortunately generic, not popular, and not competitive. Even before this, Jaguar has been getting trounced by nearly all their competitors. Switching to EV’s is not going to help them attract more customers, address quality issues, or retain their identity as the manufacturer of sporty, visceral cars that are fun to drive.
They’ve canceled production of their only sports car already. Cutting their dealer network and giving them only a couple of generic crossover EVs is going to accelerate their failure.
Yeah they are scaling back so much that they are basically going out of business.
When Lincoln and Infiniti can no longer sell full sized ICE SUVs….they are probably gone too.
Jaguar’s EVs are unfortunately generic, not popular, and not competitive. Even before this, Jaguar has been getting trounced by nearly all their competitors. Switching to EV’s is not going to help them attract more customers, address quality issues, or retain their identity as the manufacturer of sporty, visceral cars that are fun to drive.
They’ve canceled production of their only sports car already. Cutting their dealer network and giving them only a couple of generic crossover EVs is going to accelerate their failure.
Yeah they are scaling back so much that they are basically going out of business.
When Lincoln and Infiniti can no longer sell full sized ICE SUVs….they are probably gone too.
This post was edited on 3/12/24 at 6:43 am
Posted on 3/12/24 at 6:59 am to tiggerthetooth
No idea but Ive seen quite a few of the SUV jaguars driving around the last few years
Posted on 3/12/24 at 7:25 am to tiggerthetooth
When it comes to EV’s…..it’s Tesla, and then everybody else.
There are some that have spent a fortune and have a solid product (Hyundai, General Motors), but they aren’t really selling outside of rental fleets. Outside of Tesla, they are probably in the best shape to handle the inevitable EV mandates from woke governments…which is to say they are losing money hand over fist and are now slow walking EV product rollouts.
Then you have Ford, Nissan and VW that came out of the EV gate with disappointing products and are awkwardly trying to put out updates for their vehicles while quietly scaling back EV sales projections. They will be okay for the future EV mandates but it’s clearly not a priority for them. .
Toyota, Subaru, and Chrysler have only really dabbled in the EV marketplace so far. They will probably survive but struggle with EV’s as they become mandated.
Jaguar is a niche luxury brand whose EV products don’t look or feel like a Jaguar. Their entire ethos is in conflict with EV’s as a concept. They don’t have a future if they can’t figure out how to make electric Jaguars instead of generic electric boxes. I don’t know if it will work with Land Rover either but they at least have some popular ICE models to sell in the interim.
There are some that have spent a fortune and have a solid product (Hyundai, General Motors), but they aren’t really selling outside of rental fleets. Outside of Tesla, they are probably in the best shape to handle the inevitable EV mandates from woke governments…which is to say they are losing money hand over fist and are now slow walking EV product rollouts.
Then you have Ford, Nissan and VW that came out of the EV gate with disappointing products and are awkwardly trying to put out updates for their vehicles while quietly scaling back EV sales projections. They will be okay for the future EV mandates but it’s clearly not a priority for them. .
Toyota, Subaru, and Chrysler have only really dabbled in the EV marketplace so far. They will probably survive but struggle with EV’s as they become mandated.
Jaguar is a niche luxury brand whose EV products don’t look or feel like a Jaguar. Their entire ethos is in conflict with EV’s as a concept. They don’t have a future if they can’t figure out how to make electric Jaguars instead of generic electric boxes. I don’t know if it will work with Land Rover either but they at least have some popular ICE models to sell in the interim.
This post was edited on 3/12/24 at 7:26 am
Posted on 3/12/24 at 7:42 am to BuckyCheese
quote:
Joan got her share.
And all it cost her was one of these…
Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:08 am to tiggerthetooth
The F-Pace is a fine looking vehicle from the outside but completely lacks any kind of interior. For the price, hell no. Plus, something electronic WILL break a few months in.
This post was edited on 3/12/24 at 8:42 am
Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:15 am to RibsandWhiskey
All of the Waymo cars I saw in San Francisco recently were Jaguar I-PACE cars
Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:18 am to NOLA Tiger
quote:
All of the Waymo cars I saw in San Francisco recently were Jaguar I-PACE cars
They look pretty good as well. The F-Pace is slightly bigger I believe. I'm not too familiar I know someone that had an F-Pace and hated it. Looked damn fine on the exterior, but the electronics were shite.
This post was edited on 3/12/24 at 8:22 am
Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:27 am to tiggerthetooth
would be surprising, and somewhat sad, to see the brand completely fold, but building and selling non-reliable, overvalued vehicles will do that to you, at some point....
it's just a shame, b/c just based on looks Jaguar and Range Rovers are geat looking vehicles....but both of them are plagued by always being in the shop for various reasons.... there are so, so many former owners that will tell you stay far, far away from either one of these lines of vehicles...
it's just a shame, b/c just based on looks Jaguar and Range Rovers are geat looking vehicles....but both of them are plagued by always being in the shop for various reasons.... there are so, so many former owners that will tell you stay far, far away from either one of these lines of vehicles...
Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:47 am to chRxis
They make kits to swap a Range Rover engine for an LS, just like they used to make a kit to put a 350 into a Jag.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:55 am to tiggerthetooth
Why don't they make tv's in Britain?
Because they'd leak oil
Because they'd leak oil
Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:57 am to tiggerthetooth
had an f-pace at one pt, it was horrible
Posted on 3/12/24 at 9:00 am to tiggerthetooth
The Brits make some cool looking vehicles, but across the board, the quality is shyte. And cost of repairs is through the roof.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 9:01 am to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 3/12/24 at 9:28 am to tiggerthetooth
The car gays fb group sounds like a the place to be for breaking industry info
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