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re: LSU Hitting Stats Thru 4 Games
Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:31 am to Cold Cous Cous
Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:31 am to Cold Cous Cous
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If OBP leaguewide has gone down, doesn't that make a high-OBP player more valuable, not less?
Yes.
Moneyball should never really be applied to college baseball though because we aren't acquiring players on an open market and looking for inefficiencies in that market to exploit.
High OBP is very valuable. In the context of actual Moneyball though, once that particular attribute is appropriately priced, or even over priced, it stops being an edge than can be easily gained.
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:32 am to Lester Earl
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Launch angle is just a measure of data, no different then MPH
Yes but it has become a focal point of hitting theory. Everyone is trying to increase their launch angle to hit homers
Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:38 am to ProjectP2294
Moneyball may have been a bad description for me to use, but the types of players that Beane and Co were going after are essentially what Kling was being compared to, except Beane didn't give a shite about defense.
But the stats show that teams are more concerned with scoring runs through power than manufacturing them through OPB. If OBP was the be all end all, you would build an entire team around that, but that's not whats happening. There is a mix involved for creating the runs.
Kling happens to be best suited to playing a position where there has been a shift in the kind of offensive player they are looking for. And MLB pitching will expose a player who is going up there looking for a walk
But the stats show that teams are more concerned with scoring runs through power than manufacturing them through OPB. If OBP was the be all end all, you would build an entire team around that, but that's not whats happening. There is a mix involved for creating the runs.
Kling happens to be best suited to playing a position where there has been a shift in the kind of offensive player they are looking for. And MLB pitching will expose a player who is going up there looking for a walk
Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:41 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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but the types of players that Beane and Co were going after are essentially what Kling was being compared to
Kling was a can't-miss draft-risk prospect coming out of high school, the equivalent of that in MLB is the exact opposite of what Beane and the A's were going after.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:46 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Yes but it has become a focal point of hitting theory. Everyone is trying to increase their launch angle to hit homers
That’s like saying MPH is the focal point in pitching theory because pitchers want to throw harder. No duh
Players want to hit the ball in the air because it leads to XBH. Which is widely attributed to run production.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:51 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:
But the stats show that teams are more concerned with scoring runs through power than manufacturing them through OPB. If OBP was the be all end all, you would build an entire team around that, but that's not whats happening. There is a mix involved for creating the runs.
No team is built in a vacuum around 1 stat. Of course there is a mix
Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:52 am to Broski
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Kling was a can't-miss draft-risk prospect coming out of high school, the equivalent of that in MLB is the exact opposite of what Beane and the A's were going after.
Talking about what he has shown since at lsu.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:56 am to Lester Earl
In Braswell’s case the swing change may not even necessarily be just about more homeruns, although it should be a byproduct. Wasn’t his GB% really high? That could be a drag on his BA and OBP also. Even if his FB% doesn’t increase just leveling out GB and LD should help him, even if the resulting power increase is just moderate resulting in more doubles.
ETA: Mostly responding to this comment from earlier in the thread.
ETA: Mostly responding to this comment from earlier in the thread.
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Braswell had an OBP of 375 last season, and JJ is trying to get him to lift the ball for power, which usually decreases OBP.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 11:59 am
Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:57 am to MOT
Ya as long as Braswell isn’t striking out a ton, I’m waiting to see what the next few weeks bring with him. I think he’s pretty locked in anyway as there is no true replacement for him at SS
Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:58 am to Lester Earl
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Players want to hit the ball in the air because it leads to XBH.
Which also leads to a decrease in batting average which decreases
OBP
You keep moving goalposts when the stats say the exact opposite of what you're saying. It's ok. I should have said high OBP players instead of moneyball. It's not that hard to admit guilt
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:01 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Huuuuu. You got drug in this thread.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:03 pm to WinnieTiger
Sure I did. It's hard to keep up with those goalposts. Even got "fact checked" and told I was wrong with stats staring him in the face
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:07 pm to Choupique19
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Batting .750 just isn’t going to cut it. Sorry, Milazzo.
Obviously he's not going to be batting that for long, and if he beat out both the other catchers last year as a true freshman, he certainly going to beat them out this year. It is a settled position. The other two will fill in for specific needs just like last year.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:08 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Sigh.
Yes.
Nothing to do with everyone throwing 98mph now. Sorry bill James. Carry on
Yes.
Nothing to do with everyone throwing 98mph now. Sorry bill James. Carry on
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:11 pm to Lester Earl
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Nothing to do with everyone throwing 98mph now
Yes it becomes much harder to hit a single or double against speed, but 20% easier to hit a homer
You and Ell don't win anything for gatekeeping LSU, baseball, or LSU Baseball. I don't know what y'all infatuation with doing so is
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:14 pm to Lester Earl
Milan and Bingham are going to pick up right where everyone last year left off.
Jared Jones with 3 dingers and 7 rbi already is fantastic.
I have a feeling White's OBP is going to be through the roof, people won't pitch to him if Milan keeps getting on base
Jared Jones with 3 dingers and 7 rbi already is fantastic.
I have a feeling White's OBP is going to be through the roof, people won't pitch to him if Milan keeps getting on base
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:19 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
I’m not gatekeeping anything
Let’s go back to the post I made about Kling
I said he has some swing & Miss but could still be valuable if:
- he got on base
- hit for some power
- ran the bases well
- played a great CF
Your response was money ball is dead, he had to hit. And that there is more to baseball than OBP…. When I literally laid out other ways he could still contribute
Let’s go back to the post I made about Kling
I said he has some swing & Miss but could still be valuable if:
- he got on base
- hit for some power
- ran the bases well
- played a great CF
Your response was money ball is dead, he had to hit. And that there is more to baseball than OBP…. When I literally laid out other ways he could still contribute
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:20 pm to emanresu
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Obviously he's not going to be batting that for long, and if he beat out both the other catchers last year as a true freshman, he certainly going to beat them out this year. It is a settled position. The other two will fill in for specific needs just like last year.
Brady Neal hit .209 in 26 starts last season. He still has to earn his spot. We have two other capable options if he doesn't produce.
I like Neal, and hope he keeps swinging a good stick, but his position is far from settled.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:20 pm to wesman21
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Jared Jones with 3 dingers and 7 rbi already is fantastic.
More importantly, Jones' last two homers were on offspeed pitches.
The knock (and probably has some validity) is that he feasts on fastballs and can't hit the offspeed.
Hell in game one, he hit a homer in his first at bat, and struck out the next two ABs on offspeed pitches.
It's all a process. I have NO DOUBT Coach Johnson and Co. are going to have these boys ready for SEC play in a few weeks
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:24 pm to Choupique19
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I like Neal, and hope he keeps swinging a good stick, but his position is far from settled.
I actually think the catcher position is settled. I think what we're seeing now is going to persist throughout the season. It will be a timeshare.
It's not settled for the simpletons that want to say this guy is a starter or that guy is a starter. Like T-Bob, who knows frickall about any of this.
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