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re: The ACC is about crumble
Posted on 2/23/24 at 6:23 am to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 2/23/24 at 6:23 am to Lima Whiskey
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The average UVA admin will look down on the Big 10. It’s a social thing. Snobbery I guess.
Yeah this may be the end of UVA in a major athletic conference. They’re in a league all their own in terms of academic arrogance and attitude (and they have totally earned that)
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Posted on 2/23/24 at 7:31 am to jlovel7
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Yeah this may be the end of UVA in a major athletic conference. They’re in a league all their own in terms of academic arrogance and attitude (and they have totally earned that)
UVA isn't worth the trouble. Honestly Virginia Tech, not UVA, is the state school in Virginia. You go outside any metro area and anywhere along the I-81 corridor and it's all Virginia Tech. And VT still has a good sized fan base in Richmond, Norfolk/Virginia Beach and DC/Nortnern Virginia. UVA's fan base is largely restricted to DC/Northern Virginia, Richmond and Charlottesville.
Virginia Tech is the state school of Virginia and is a far better cultural fit (emphasis on football, passionate fan base, good game day environment) for the SEC.
UNC and NC State are closer but again UNC, like UVA, is a wine and cheese crowd for football. UNC was nothing after Mack Brown left the first time and they'll be nothing again after Mack Brown leaves the second time. Yes they offer basketball but it's football, not basketball, that is driving the expansion. NC State is again the better cultural fit for the SEC.
If it was me in those SEC meetings I'm supporting FSU, Clemson, NC State and Virginia Tech. You expand the footprint into North Carolina and Virginia while still having a contiguous conference. You also by and large keep the Big Ten out of the heart of SEC territory in any meaningful way. Let the Big Ten take Miami and Georgia Tech, neither of those schools really move the needle and really help them plant a major base in the South.
The way I see it working out. ND and UVA go to the Big Ten. VT, UNC (though I would prefer NC State), Clemson and FSU go to the SEC.
Miami and NC State go to the Big 12.
Pitt, Louisville and GT battle over the two remaining spots in the Big 12. One could end up really getting screwed and having to go down to the American (Or also go the Big East route and then just go Independent for football).
I think Duke, Wake, Syracuse and Boston College all go the UConn route and join the Big East for basketball and go independent for football (or drop it altogether which I think isn't as unlikely as many would think).
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:39 am to CelebrationSaint
quote:Wake just cut the ribbon on a $38,000,000 locker room at their practice facility. Duke just hired Manny Diaz. These schools want to have competitive football programs.
I think Duke, Wake, Syracuse and Boston College all go the UConn route and join the Big East for basketball and go independent for football (or drop it altogether which I think isn't as unlikely as many would think).
Posted on 2/23/24 at 5:40 pm to tigeroarz1
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Wake just cut the ribbon on a $38,000,000 locker room at their practice facility. Duke just hired Manny Diaz. These schools want to have competitive football programs.
At the end of the day it's not about what they want, it's going to be about what's financially realistic. Duke and Wake both have old stadiums and small fan bases that don't particularly value football. That isn't changing.
Duke and Wake aren't getting into the SEC, Big Ten or Big 12. If the ACC implodes they would most likely end up in the American playing in the second level of College Sports where all their sports will lose money overall.
Is Duke and Wake willing to screw all of their other programs just for football? Is Duke willing to let its basketball program play in the American Conference while their rival UNC plays in the SEC or Big 10? I seriously doubt it. At least in the Big East Duke and UNC are playing in largely equal conferences.
Duke and Wake aren't going to have a choice. UConn almost destroyed their men's and women's basketball programs by going to the American Conference. Isn't it a surprise that they went back to the Big East and now UConn men's basketball is back at the top. Duke and Wake would suffer a similar fate as UConn if they go to the American Conference, but unlike UConn if they wait too late there might not be the Big East as a life raft.
Duke and Wake football are finished whether they like it or not. Either Duke and Wake make football independent or drop football and save the other sports in the Big East, or all their sports go to the American, wither and die.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 2/23/24 at 6:01 pm to tigeroarz1
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Wake just cut the ribbon on a $38,000,000 locker room at their practice facility. Duke just hired Manny Diaz. These schools want to have competitive football programs.
I'll also remind you that Oregon State and Washington State both wanted to have competitive college football programs as well. Oregon State was a legitimate Top 15 team in 2023 and has accomplished more than Duke or Wake. But that's not what matters anymore in current college football. And now both those programs are doomed to irrelevance. Not saying I like it, just saying it's the truth.
There is no room in the major college football conferences (SEC, Big Ten and to a lesser extent the Big 12) for Duke and Wake. But you are more than welcome to tell me where you think they land in the next realignment round.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 6:13 pm to CelebrationSaint
Louisville is pretty much a lock for the Big 12 IMO
Posted on 2/23/24 at 7:19 pm to CelebrationSaint
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Not saying I like it, just saying it's the truth.
Yet there are idiots that think this is great for the sport.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 7:24 pm to CelebrationSaint
Virginia Tech is a has been and they don't deserve the SEC. They're another Texas A&M in arrogance. It's been great to see them fall back down to earth after Beamer retired. They deserve the Big 12.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 7:53 pm to UnluckyTiger
UVA doesn’t belong in the SEC. Their football sucks and they have a snobbish feel. UNC is kinda the same way, but I think they’d be okay in the SEC (or NC State). Give me the fans of FSU, Clemson, VA Tech any day of the week over effin UVA.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:41 pm to CelebrationSaint
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think Duke, Wake, Syracuse and Boston College all go the UConn route and join the Big East for basketball and go independent for football (or drop it altogether which I think isn't as unlikely as many would think).
Schools that don't make big money playing football should drop the sport. They can pretend that it was about CTE and young men's brain damage but the reality is they just can't compete. And if you can't compete then pull the plug and stop pouring good money after bad.
If Northwestern and Vanderbilt weren't in lucrative conferences the same would apply to them.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 8:18 am to Fat Harry
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The Big East started this BS when they raided the original CUSA back in 2005 with Cincinnati, USF and Louisville. Need a time machine.
Are you stupid?
It was the ACC that raided the Big East that started all this
The Big East didn’t start the raiding
This post was edited on 2/24/24 at 8:36 am
Posted on 2/24/24 at 8:26 am to CelebrationSaint
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UVA isn't worth the trouble. Honestly Virginia Tech, not UVA, is the state school in Virginia. You go outside any metro area and anywhere along the I-81 corridor and it's all Virginia Tech. And VT still has a good sized fan base in Richmond, Norfolk/Virginia Beach and DC/Nortnern Virginia. UVA's fan base is largely restricted to DC/Northern Virginia, Richmond and Charlottesville. Virginia Tech is the state school of Virginia
That is flat out lie
As someone who grew up in VA you are just making shite up. VT has always been a regional school in that SW corner. VT’s popularity exploded with MV7 when its applications in state like tripled. But that’s cooled down. UVA has always been the state school. No one dominants DC metro. Not even Maryland which is in the area. Penn State, WVU are closer to the area than VT and have huge bases there. Also tons of SEC fans. It’s a huge transplant market.
WVU and VT played at FedEx a few years ago and it was a 50/50. The younger VT fans who didn’t even know the Black Diamond trophy was a rivalry were shocked it wasn’t a home game for them.
There is reason VT has always had little brother syndrome to UVA and needed UVA to get them in the ACC.
This post was edited on 2/24/24 at 8:32 am
Posted on 2/24/24 at 8:48 am to StraightCashHomey21
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That is flat out lie
As someone who grew up in VA you are just making shite up. VT has always been a regional school in that SW corner. VT’s popularity exploded with MV7 when its applications in state like tripled. But that’s cooled down. UVA has always been the state school. No one dominants DC metro. Not even Maryland which is in the area. Penn State, WVU are closer to the area than VT and have huge bases there. Also tons of SEC fans. It’s a huge transplant market.
WVU and VT played at FedEx a few years ago and it was a 50/50. The younger VT fans who didn’t even know the Black Diamond trophy was a rivalry were shocked it wasn’t a home game for them
Your hatred of VT is showing...every since VT moved from a military school it has been growing and growing. UVA used to be the larger of the 2...but VT is now almost doubling UVA and with Sands in charge it will only get worse.
It is not cooling, it is actually getting larger.
VT is the largest fan base in the Northern VA easily. WJFK...flagship for sports in DC Metro...Hokies are on it. All the local news always covers VT. Yes, MD gets more because they are local, but they know what teams they have to cover.
And just because the young students have no clue about WVu means nothing. They are missing out, but Miami and UNC is who VT puts forward these days. Obviously UVA will always be there.
And I don't hate UVA like most, but they are the regional school these days. VT has won 20 of the last 22 football games and in basketball where we usually stink VT wins about 1 in 3 of the games (4-6 in last 10). They are failing at the major sports people care about.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 8:58 am to tccdc
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Your hatred of VT is showing...every since VT moved from a military school it has been growing and growing. UVA used to be the larger of the 2...but VT is now almost doubling UVA and with Sands in charge it will only get worse. It is not cooling, it is actually getting larger.
Well UVA has never had a huge enrollment
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VT is the largest fan base in the Northern VA easily. WJFK...flagship for sports in DC Metro...Hokies are on it. All the local news always covers VT. Yes, MD gets more because they are local, but they know what teams they have to cover.
No one dominates the DC market
Posted on 2/24/24 at 9:34 am to StraightCashHomey21
If rumors are true that the SEC & B1G will have 24 teams when this is over. That means eight spots are open for ACC and Big-12 schools in the SEC. If that happens the SEC and B1G will try to break away, but I suspect it will most likely run into anti-trust problems which may end all college conferences that are profit based.
The SEC is NOT going to get UNC or UVA. Both are going to the B1G. Both schools are biggest snobs you have ever seen and will never join the SEC, plus there is more money in the B1G for them.
Here who I think the SEC ends up with if they go to 24: FSU, Clemson, NC State, Virginia Tech, WVU, Oklahoma St., and two of the following - Kansas, Louisville, Texas Tech, Miami, GT, etc. (it will depend on who and if the B1G gets anyone out of that group).
My reasoning is based on the fact that SEC wants good football programs and rivalries for TV purposes. That will give them an edge against the B1G in the long run. Rivalry games are important, which is why the SEC will want to gobble as many as possible that are still on the board to be had.
The only wild card in this is Notre Dame, who might actually choose the SEC over the B1G because they have never forgiven the B1G for rejecting them way back in the day. They don't fit the SEC, but no one will say "no" when they at last make that phone call.
The SEC is NOT going to get UNC or UVA. Both are going to the B1G. Both schools are biggest snobs you have ever seen and will never join the SEC, plus there is more money in the B1G for them.
Here who I think the SEC ends up with if they go to 24: FSU, Clemson, NC State, Virginia Tech, WVU, Oklahoma St., and two of the following - Kansas, Louisville, Texas Tech, Miami, GT, etc. (it will depend on who and if the B1G gets anyone out of that group).
My reasoning is based on the fact that SEC wants good football programs and rivalries for TV purposes. That will give them an edge against the B1G in the long run. Rivalry games are important, which is why the SEC will want to gobble as many as possible that are still on the board to be had.
The only wild card in this is Notre Dame, who might actually choose the SEC over the B1G because they have never forgiven the B1G for rejecting them way back in the day. They don't fit the SEC, but no one will say "no" when they at last make that phone call.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 10:40 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:If WVU played UVA then it would have been 90/10 for WVU. VT>>>>>UVA in every sense. I met quite a few UVA grads and they all hate VT more then they like UVA. UVA is perfect for the SEC if you want Mizzou's trophy case, Vandy's fanbase and Berkley's wokeness.
WVU and VT played at FedEx a few years ago and it was a 50/50.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 11:09 am to StraightCashHomey21
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It was the ACC that raided the Big East that started all this
And the ACC was forced to take VA Tech by politicians.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 11:11 am to StraightCashHomey21
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WVU and VT played at FedEx a few years ago and it was a 50/50.
Was a great rivalry. Main reason I want VA Tech in the Big 12.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 1:46 pm to tccdc
UVA is the flagship University in Virginia. Are they the most popular football program? No. Both of those statement can be true.
The sheer number of students (enrollment) that VT has been able to sustain post-MV7 era plus recent in state football dominance has ensured they will win the popularity contest. But this not because students are overwhelmingly choosing to attend VT over UVa (in general). UVA maintains an extremely low admissions number and will always do that. There may be something to that strategy…UVAs donations last year eclipsed $5B. The last number I saw for VT in 2021 was $260M.
I’ve been reading this thread and will say that UVA to the SEC is a bad fit. BIG10 is a likely landing spot given AAU status and overall profile. I can’t say that I like it but it’s a two headed race between a mass restructuring of the governance of college athletics (e.g., NCAA replacement) which could save the ACC and the absorption of ACC into the SEC/BIG
The sheer number of students (enrollment) that VT has been able to sustain post-MV7 era plus recent in state football dominance has ensured they will win the popularity contest. But this not because students are overwhelmingly choosing to attend VT over UVa (in general). UVA maintains an extremely low admissions number and will always do that. There may be something to that strategy…UVAs donations last year eclipsed $5B. The last number I saw for VT in 2021 was $260M.
I’ve been reading this thread and will say that UVA to the SEC is a bad fit. BIG10 is a likely landing spot given AAU status and overall profile. I can’t say that I like it but it’s a two headed race between a mass restructuring of the governance of college athletics (e.g., NCAA replacement) which could save the ACC and the absorption of ACC into the SEC/BIG
Posted on 2/24/24 at 1:50 pm to TulaneUVA
JMU is the new premier football power in Virginia 
but seriously….
They have so much money flowing through that school now. Their old coach was an idiot to leave them for Indiana. JMU keeps it up and they probably get an invite to a big time conference. Or we just have the two mega conferences soon that split away from the NCAA.
And I don’t think VT ever returns to relevance. Not with JMU’s rise and dealing with WVU, UVA etc.
I’d love to have UVA and UNC in the SEC, but yeah UVA is probably headed to the BIG. I’d love to kick out Missouri and bring in West Virginia. Morgantown is the most fun I’ve ever had at a road game.
but seriously…. They have so much money flowing through that school now. Their old coach was an idiot to leave them for Indiana. JMU keeps it up and they probably get an invite to a big time conference. Or we just have the two mega conferences soon that split away from the NCAA.
And I don’t think VT ever returns to relevance. Not with JMU’s rise and dealing with WVU, UVA etc.
I’d love to have UVA and UNC in the SEC, but yeah UVA is probably headed to the BIG. I’d love to kick out Missouri and bring in West Virginia. Morgantown is the most fun I’ve ever had at a road game.
This post was edited on 2/24/24 at 1:52 pm
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