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re: Who here actually thinks Coach MM is a good basketball coach ?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:33 am to mdomingue
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:33 am to mdomingue
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mdomingue
I respect you and your takes.
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No idea but I do know he only needed to recruit Sunbelt-level talent to dominate the Southland conference and considering no one was talking about possible sanctions coming I think succeeding at McNeese is a bit different than at LSU.
Don't tell them facts like this. You'll get downvoted. A coach like WW with his ability to recuit can easily dominate the southland. It took one P5 transfer in Wells and some mid-majors to create a dominant team in the worst conference in D1 MBB
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 1:34 am
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Posted on 2/11/24 at 3:01 am to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
quote:Same. That's a good starting space. He dislikes Wade being interjected into every LSU Basketball thread. I try to not always get involved, but I can't help myself sometimes.
mdomingue
I respect you and your takes.
I think Alt26 said it best a while back, until CoachMc does something to quiet the crowd, we always end up in the same slap fighting.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 3:08 am to drizztiger
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He dislikes Wade being interjected into every LSU Basketball thread.
He's probably one of the most level headed and rational people on the board. Seems to me polarization is the norm- both pro and against the state of the program. It's hard to have a civil conversation with cautious optimism. You're immediately shot down.
I know I've had my fair share of spats with people, you included Drizz, but I'm at the point now where I feel like I've been around long enough, and I prefer to interact with people that I have mutual respect for.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 3:09 am
Posted on 2/11/24 at 3:24 am to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
quote:Well said.
He's probably one of the most level headed and rational people on the board. Seems to me polarization is the norm- both pro and against the state of the program. It's hard to have a civil conversation with cautious optimism. You're immediately shot down.
I know I've had my fair share of spats with people, you included Drizz, but I'm at the point now where I feel like I've been around long enough, and I prefer to interact with people that I have mutual respect for.
I wasn't sure about you initially and you know that, but you've earned my earnest respect. Some dudes just drive-by and spout nonsense.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 6:53 am to drizztiger
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you've earned my earnest respect
I can say the same for you
Posted on 2/11/24 at 7:44 am to RummelTiger
I think if McMahon can pull off one big upset against a ranked team who's on a roll, the public perception of his coaching style will improve markedly.
That's how Dale Brown happened to survive as long as he did. His overall body of work at LSU wasn't too impressive, but he could motivate his team to win a particular game they had no business of even competing in. I remember back in 1987-88 LSU was muddling through a very uninspiring season which had early on featured really BAD losses to underdog teams like Northern Iowa and Arkansas State. Yet in January of 1988 the Tigers played #1 OKLAHOMA in the old Lakefront Arena in New Orleans, and pulled off a shocking 84-77 upset! The building was left rocking, and this was the sort of outcome which made Dale a legend in Louisiana
That's how Dale Brown happened to survive as long as he did. His overall body of work at LSU wasn't too impressive, but he could motivate his team to win a particular game they had no business of even competing in. I remember back in 1987-88 LSU was muddling through a very uninspiring season which had early on featured really BAD losses to underdog teams like Northern Iowa and Arkansas State. Yet in January of 1988 the Tigers played #1 OKLAHOMA in the old Lakefront Arena in New Orleans, and pulled off a shocking 84-77 upset! The building was left rocking, and this was the sort of outcome which made Dale a legend in Louisiana
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:01 am to Masonburden67
He’s a good coach, but he lacks the charisma to make LSU basketball fun again at a university that obviously doesn’t care about men’s basketball. Also, it’s very perplexing why his best recruit is redshirting instead of helping the team.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:25 am to tarzana
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I think if McMahon can pull off one big upset against a ranked team who's on a roll, the public perception of his coaching style will improve markedly.
That's how Dale Brown happened to survive as long as he did. His overall body of work at LSU wasn't too impressive, but he could motivate his team to win a particular game they had no business of even competing in.
I have mentioned the upset factor multiple times. McMahon seems incapable of beating a good team. Even bad teams occasionally pulls upsets. For some reason in the last 2 years at LSU he hasn't done it to my memory. LSU needs to beat an Auburn..once...beat an Alabama once...beat a Kentucky once...he has beaten Arkansas a couple of times but turns out Arkansas has been way overrated. In fact, not sure Musselman has a job at Ark after this season.
As far as Dale Brown, the one he brought up every 15 seconds was when LSU beat Kentucky when all of LSU's starters had fouled out. My guess is the last starter left the game with 15 seconds left but still....
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 10:47 am
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:36 am to tarzana
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That's how Dale Brown happened to survive as long as he did. His overall body of work at LSU wasn't too impressive, but he could motivate his team to win a particular game they had no business of even competing in.
There's some truth to this. Dale's years 2-5 were bad years, bad teams - I was around I can attest. But he'd play good teams tight at home and even pulled the occasional upset even then...Vandy in 74 won the conference but we beat them at home for example.
But Dale had that force of personality, and though it was and really still is polarizing, people paid attention because of it.
CMM does not have that, he has good traits but his low-key personality is not going to garner attention, especially in this day and age with many more things to attract people's attention than there was back then.
Being a "good coach" whatever context you define that in, is not in and of itself enough.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 9:31 am to Tiger Ugly
Yea I remember that 1974 team. They featured Glenn Hansen, Eddie Palubinskas and Mike Darnall (who pulled off a miracle upset of Bama in Dale's first season), so they weren't completely without talent. Can't remember if Kenny Higgs was yet part of the team.
Overall they were not a good team. Even though they crafted upsets of Vandy and Kentucky that year, they also had a WTF?! moment at the end of a home game vs Miss St which seemed destined to go to OT, yet they committed a foul late which enabled MSU to get out of Baton Rouge with a win
Overall they were not a good team. Even though they crafted upsets of Vandy and Kentucky that year, they also had a WTF?! moment at the end of a home game vs Miss St which seemed destined to go to OT, yet they committed a foul late which enabled MSU to get out of Baton Rouge with a win
Posted on 2/11/24 at 10:52 am to tarzana
Florida, South Carolina, they can get good coaches who are doing something in year 2,but yeah give MM 3 years he will get it done. That's hot garbage hopefully he will be shown the door next year and move on his record shows you he's not good enough for this level of basketball,go back to mid major level!
Posted on 2/11/24 at 11:04 am to robertgamb
Do I think he's a good coach. yes. Great coach. Not yet. Recruiting will be the difference for him. He is capable of competing with the best in the conference for 3/4 of the game but does not have the talent to close the deal. A great coach would, That being said he was a few plays away from beating GA on the road and sweeping TAM. Had he won those 2 games we would be having a different conversation. Lets see how the rest of the year pans out. 1st year was a throw away so I am judging him on this year and next. If we can get to 8-9 conference wins then he has shown improvement but next year will be the big year to make a move if he can keep everyone coming back and add the two 4 stars and a couple of portal transfers he should be able to compete and win some upsets. I do agree he needs to be able to do that here and there to survive. Maybe KY at home will be that game. Wade was a good coach who recruited great talent. he had plenty of flaws but his recruiting overcame some of it.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 12:35 pm to Masonburden67
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I say we let Woodward do what he does best and hunt the big boys . See who we can pull then hope we can get some transfers
It's relatively easy to convince an established HC to take the LSU football or baseball jobs. Our basketball facilities suck and we are not a blue blood program. It's going to be hard to convince an established coach to come here until they invest in better facilities at a minimum. Even then you would probably have to over pay to get him here. Woodward has to identify an up and coming talent for the job and that is not his forte.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 12:46 pm to Masonburden67
I do. When he gets the players he wants we will be back
Posted on 2/11/24 at 12:49 pm to Lucado
quote:Any chance Wade left lying around one of his wife’s checkbooks? Talk about full circle. Woody just carte blanche writing checks, but this time from Wade’s wife’s account.
Even then you would probably have to over pay to get him here. Woodward has to identify an up and coming talent for the job and that is not his forte.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 5:21 pm to tarzana
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ea I remember that 1974 team. They featured Glenn Hansen, Eddie Palubinskas and Mike Darnall (who pulled off a miracle upset of Bama in Dale's first season), so they weren't completely without talent. Can't remember if Kenny Higgs was yet part of the team.
Correct and Collis Temple was on that team as well, and he was a decent player who I think was a bit overrated but could rebound and block a shot or two. Higgs did not join until the next year and IMHO has always been a vastly underrated player in LSU history.
quote:Agreed and neither were Dale's next 3 teams, the 77-78 team was the first that had real talent and potential in Dale's 6th year.
Overall they were not a good team.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 5:47 pm to Masonburden67
Who really knows
Posted on 2/11/24 at 6:04 pm to Masonburden67
He is a better coach than me, probably knows more BB than most of us.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 6:20 pm to robertgamb
Don’t know about any of y’all and just speaking for myself but I sure as heck don’t know any elite HS kid or any transfers that would even consider LSU or playing for the LSU program with the allegations and most specifically the lack of institutional control impending. Sanctions weren’t implemented til June 23. The program has had their hands tied. And there was a huge faction in our program that didn’t think we’d even be able to field a team last year.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 6:29 pm to Masonburden67
Will Wade is better than McMahon
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