re: Name me one thing positive Willie Green has done as coach?

Willie has had the Pels passed up by multiple worse teams since he got here.

OKC and Sacto already passed the Pels significantly.

Utah is improving despite a fire sale of their stars and is ok the fringe AND the Rockets are significantly better and improving from last year already.

Dude is a bad players coach that can’t seem to get out of his own way and refuses to adjust to the talent on his team and instead insists on asking them to be something they are not.

He is holding this team back, but because they go on little runs here and there to prop up their record into play-in territory, you call him a success.

He has gotten a lot out of a roster that has had more than its share of injuries and other difficulties in the tough Western Conference.

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He's a negative asset the moment he signs a new max deal.

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If Lavine were healthy do you believe he is a negative asset? I was wrong, he's already started his new extension, $37 million this year and $49 in 2026-27. Before his season was derailed by injuries he was talked up as one of the players the Lakers would target. I didn't really see people talking about him as a negative contract like I did with CJ.

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It was always understood that CJ would net something of value in return.

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Maybe amongst the 30 GMs in the league, but I know the NBA twitter chatter seemed to view him very negatively because of his contract and decline in play due to a few injury plagued seasons. I know when he was kicked around here as a possible target way before that trade deadline, people talked about not wanting him and needing assets to take him.

However, my basic theme that I'm trying to get across is "Be careful what you wish for" and "The grass isn't always greener." Saying it's time to trade a player or fire a coach is one thing, Finding a replacement that's an actual improvement is another. If your reasoning is "Anything is better than this." that's basically asking the basketball gods to smite you, and the rest of us by extension. And I'm not saying that's your reasoning, just speaking generally because there are a lot of people, including myself, that don't think BI is going to work out long term with Zion.

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Sacto is 1.5 games ahead of us and hasn't won a playoff series as us with Willie as coach

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This a confusing sentence. Are you saying we won a playoff series with Willie?

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OKC hasn't won a playoff series or been to the playoffs as recently as we have.

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But they did stomp us on our homecourt in the play-in... and that was without Chet in the mix.

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This a confusing sentence. Are you saying we won a playoff series with Willie?

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Sorry, I forgot to finalize the edit. They haven't won a playoff series just like Willie hasn't. They've had the exact same recent success as us.

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And we didn't have zion or Jose that game.

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My point is not about who won or lost that game based on availability, it's about what OKC has added since, which has them now playing like one of the best teams in the NBA.

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"they've blown past" the pels,

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I mean it's all semantics and hyperbole whichever way you want to call it.

Fact of the matter is, they are in a better position than us both in the present and how they are set up for the future.

But like I said earlier, getting back to the topic at hand, I don't think that's Willie's doing or lack of doing. OKC built their roster to compliment each other, we didn't.

That's more on Griff and Trajan.

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Fact of the matter is, they are in a better position than us both in the present and how they are set up for the future.

But like I said earlier, getting back to the topic at hand, I don't think that's Willie's doing or lack of doing. OKC built their roster to compliment each other, we didn't.

That's more on Griff and Trajan.

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Also has to do with the fact that their #1 has continually improved and is now a locked in MVP candidate and we're happy our main guy gives us borderline all-star level play and stays on the court

I guess you could blame Zion plateauing on Willie, but I think that's more of a Zion issue than anything...

This is not true. In their 5 years together, off the top of my head, I think they have both scored over 25 in the same game maybe 8-10 times at most, if that. Let alone both over 30, which has happened maybe once.

They have never looked dominant together, and even when they win big, the team plays better in those games when one of them are on the bench. BI most of the time.