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Omega speedmaster 3861 2023 sapphire sandwich or hesalite?
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:04 pm
Does anyone have this speedy pro in either version and what are your thoughts? I tried on the new sapphire sandwich and the movement in the rear case is extraordinary. The bracelet tapers nicely, is very light feeling, and it has a micro adjustment in the clasp. I’ve never had a manual wind, but it is intriguing. Thoughts
Yeah I know, use your phone
Yeah I know, use your phone
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:07 pm to Britlab
It's on my wish list. I lean toward the hesalite for authenticity's sake. The clear case back is nice but I figure I wouldn't look at the movement much after the novelty of it wears off.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:16 pm to Britlab
I've got the hesalite Moonwatch. It's a beautiful watch. I alternate between the bracelet and a custom leather band.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:17 pm to Britlab
I like sammiches, so I'm going with that one.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:20 pm to Britlab
This question would get you murdered on Omega boards because it gets asked so frequently
If you take out all of the nuance, it usually comes down to: is the “warmth” of the hesalite more important to you, or is the scratch resistance of the sapphire more important to you. If scratches will bother you, at all, go sapphire. If they won’t, at all, you’ll probably prefer hesalite.
If you take out all of the nuance, it usually comes down to: is the “warmth” of the hesalite more important to you, or is the scratch resistance of the sapphire more important to you. If scratches will bother you, at all, go sapphire. If they won’t, at all, you’ll probably prefer hesalite.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:24 pm to Britlab
This is a ubiquitous question on watch forums and so common it has been addressed here in the last year:
tOT
I didn't look but my bet was my advice was acrylic for a Speedy that will be in rotation and sapphire if it will be a daily wear watch. I do prefer the look of acrylic on a Speedy Pro and the ones I have owned in the past were all acrylic crystals. If you do buy a Hesalite version get to know a product called Polywatch.
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I didn't look but my bet was my advice was acrylic for a Speedy that will be in rotation and sapphire if it will be a daily wear watch. I do prefer the look of acrylic on a Speedy Pro and the ones I have owned in the past were all acrylic crystals. If you do buy a Hesalite version get to know a product called Polywatch.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:24 pm to RoyalWe
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watch. I alternate between the bracelet and a custom leather band.
How hard is it to swap?
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:31 pm to Jim Rockford
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How hard is it to swap?
No more than most watches.
Modern Omegas don't have near as high tolerance endlinks as Rolex and Tudor (nobody really does) so it is quick work with a spring bar tool, my favorite is a Bergeon 6767 but honestly an Omega and most watches are just as easy with a 1.4mm screwdriver but you have to be a little more cautious because they don't "grab" the spring bar so they are more likely to slip.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:40 pm to Britlab
Wife gifted me one with black leather band. Love the clasp.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:43 pm to Joshjrn
quote:You can buff them out. It looks good as new and it will take years to buff the life out of the crystal.
If scratches will bother you, at all, go sapphire.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:48 pm to Britlab
Hesalite is the true Moonwatch/Spredmaster
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:54 pm to RoyalWe
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You can buff them out. It looks good as new and it will take years to buff the life out of the crystal.
If the scratches bother someone, they will be buffing that watch every few days
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:59 pm to Britlab
Id go Hesalite for the same reason why if i bought a Jeep, id get a two door with a manual transmission . . Because while technology may have “improved”- i am a purist .
Posted on 2/2/24 at 5:07 pm to Britlab
Checking with my butler's assistant's concierge. Will check back.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 5:19 pm to Joshjrn
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If the scratches bother someone, they will be buffing that watch every few days
Some people are super OCD about them and it is usually magnified when people get their first "nice" watch. People wig out over the micro-scratches watches with AR coatings on the outside of a crystal (like Omega uses) get over time. I can hold them at just the right angle in the light and see them but it bothers me a lot less than the "mirrors" crystals with no AR coating turn into at certain angles... looking at you Rolex.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:04 pm to Britlab
While the Hesalite is considered more “true” to the Speedy’s history, I went with the Sapphire Sandwich because the movement is gorgeous. Although I purchased it with the bracelet, I purchased a brown leather strap at the same time and had the AD put it on that.
In all honesty, I think I like it better than my Sub.
In all honesty, I think I like it better than my Sub.
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:52 pm to Free888
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I went with the Sapphire Sandwich because the movement is gorgeous.
Generally, manual wind chronograph movements are some of the most interesting you will find without going more exotic and running up the price. They don't have half the movement covered by a rotor at any one time (not many affordable micro-rotor movements), normally don't have big plates blocking the view, and have a relatively high part count.
The current 3861 is a nice looking movement and decently well finished, my only gripe is it is a cam actuated chronograph where the original 321 was a column wheel chronograph and I love the look of a castle wheel.
Current 3861
Omega makes a limited amount of Speedys with the new version of the 321 (AKA Ed White) my arrow points to the castle wheel. The 321 is IMO the Speedy to own but the new Heritage Speedy in SS with the 321 is $15k.
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:57 pm to Obtuse1
Obtuse, I have a Speedy question I tried to find the answer to years ago, but never could: at some point, the seconds subdial went from concentric circles (which I love) to flat. Do you happen to know when that shift occurred? Apparently I’m the only person to give a shite, because my searches have always come up empty
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 2/2/24 at 7:38 pm to Joshjrn
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at some point, the seconds subdial went from concentric circles (which I love) to flat.
First, I am NOT remotely a Speedy expert, I am actually not as enamored with them as the general watch community especially when they moved to a cam-actuated movement since I am a column wheel snob. It seems Speedy collectors agree the value drops off precipitously with the introduction of the 861 but that may be because they made more of them because they were cheaper/easier to build which is why the move was made.
It appears ALL black dial Speedy Pros have concentric circles in the sub-dials. This is based on Al (Archer watches) who may have serviced every variation ever made proclaiming that while some require looking at the dial under magnification with the dial out of the watch, and possibly with striking light they all have them. So there is no hard and fast rule as to what models appear to have them and which do not because especially in the older ones dial variations from lot to lot were common. If you want one with clearly visible rings, you have to look at individual examples. IME the ones from the mid 80's were the most prominent, but I haven't looked at 100s of Speedys up close again because they just aren't my favorite watch.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 8:17 pm to Obtuse1
I appreciate you
Some days I think the Speedy is just another watch. Some days those lyre shaped lugs call to my like a Siren. Just depends on the day
Some days I think the Speedy is just another watch. Some days those lyre shaped lugs call to my like a Siren. Just depends on the day
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