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re: American Airlines flight from MSY had to return after takeoff due to mechanical issues

Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:17 pm to
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
26295 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:17 pm to
I was on that flight
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
26295 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:21 pm to
Wait you were the pilot?????
Posted by Yellerhammer5
Member since Oct 2012
10851 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:23 pm to
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tigerpilot


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I was on the AA 2227. They had a flap issue after takeoff.


Posted by tigerpilot
new orleans
Member since Mar 2006
357 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:25 pm to
Wasn’t the pilot on the flight. I was flying in the back heading to DFW to work. Talked to the crew when we got back to the gate.
Posted by RedFoxx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jan 2009
6024 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:30 pm to
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Looks like it had to dump most of it’s fuel load before landing safely


737s cannot jettison fuel. They flew to burn fuel in order to land at or below their maximum landing weight. So it most likely was not an emergency situation.
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
20248 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:32 pm to
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It's only a matter of time until we have another plane go down

Won’t be Muslims this time. DEI will bring it down.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37153 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:34 pm to
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I was on the AA 2227. They had a flap issue after takeoff. Would not fully retract. They circled around to burn fuel to get below max landing weight. Landed without incident. Good job by the crew.


Couple of years ago coming into msy from Vegas, had the opposite… flaps would not open. Flew around the lake for a while to burn fuel and then landed from east to west at a stupid high speed. Destroyed the brakes on landing but all ended well.
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6561 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:10 pm to
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Looks like it had to dump most of it’s fuel load before landing safely
Crawfish prices going up
Posted by HeyCap
Member since Nov 2014
618 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:14 pm to
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Wasn’t the pilot on the flight. I was flying in the back heading to DFW to work. Talked to the crew when we got back to the gate.

How much fuel are they carrying on a 1 hour flight that they’re taking extended vectors to get below MLW? Even if they needed 2 alternates it doesn’t seem like they’d be overweight.
Posted by NorthEndZone
Member since Dec 2008
11443 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:38 pm to
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Looks like it had to dump most of its fuel load


I guess that counts as a reportable spill to the National Response Center. St. Bernard marshes might have a few sheens tomorrow.



Glad it was able to burn fuel and land safely.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
18928 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 11:00 pm to
How did the pilot handle the announcement? Did he tell everyone what was up or did he say it was an emergency? How were the passengers? Anyone in the back get stupid? Please tell me they didn't clap on landing.
Posted by flyingtexastiger
Southlake, TX
Member since Oct 2005
1645 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 11:01 pm to
As noted, 737 does not dump fuel.

Flap failure/flap mis-match checklists are some of the longest, most involved and easiest to screw up checklists in the emergency procedures book.

Any flap issues will affect landing distance, which is in turn greatly dependent on landing weight. MSY aren't the longest runways in the world.

Sounds like they saw they had a problem, took time to read and perform the correct checklists (which probably directed them to burn down to as light a landing weight as comfortable to reduce gross weight and hence approach/landing speed) and then got everyone safely back on deck.. Nice work folks.
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
33539 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 11:48 pm to
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because nobody at the assigned gate knew how to operate the jetway.


The jet way? What is it?

It's the place where passengers wait to board the plane, but that's not important right now...
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
9388 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 11:51 pm to
Posted by HeyCap
Member since Nov 2014
618 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 6:20 am to
I’m familiar with flap malfunction procedures (worse/more complicated on the Airbus than Boeing, IMO) and the time it takes. I was just curious about how much fuel they’d be carrying on a short leg if they did indeed take vectors to burn it off. And, serious question, how much would they burn doing what was basically 2 turns in holding, even at low altitude, gear down, APU running, etc.? I’m not dinging the crew here, I’ve just never flown the 737.
Posted by RedFoxx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jan 2009
6024 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 6:40 am to
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was just curious about how much fuel they’d be carrying on a short leg if they did indeed take vectors to burn it off. And, serious question, how much would they burn doing what was basically 2 turns in holding, even at low altitude, gear down, APU running, etc.? I’m not dinging the crew here, I’ve just never flown the 737.


A 737 Msy-Dfw will take around
14000-15000 lbs of fuel. Expect to burn around 8000-8500 lbs en route on an approx. 75 minute flight.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 6:51 am
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64763 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 6:59 am to
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So in addition to not having trained personnel ready for the arriving flight, it didn’t occur to anybody to have a trained person walk over to the damn gate, instead of having a jet move to them.



We’ve all seen the caliber of people working at airports now. One more reason I’ve sworn off flying.
Posted by TSmith
New Orleans, La.
Member since Jan 2004
1655 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 7:22 am to
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because nobody at the assigned gate knew how to operate the jetway

24 likes. People will believe anything.
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