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re: Willie gotta GO
Posted on 1/16/24 at 9:27 am to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 1/16/24 at 9:27 am to Pels_Yaz
There's no Kidd has done better than Willie besides have a healthy Luka Doncic who's a top 5 player arguably in the league. Willie hasn't had health like this until this year and have them currently in the 4-6 range of playoffs. he has his flaws but to say willie has to go is crazy. This man took a team to the playoffs that had a starting lineup of devonte graham and jaxson hayes at one point lol
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Posted on 1/16/24 at 9:30 am to shel311
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Go check out the Shamit latest article then come back and tell me Willie is doing a good job playing shooter lineups...
C'mon, man. You know that I always read Shamit's stuff and I already read that. And I generally agree with Shamit, but you seemed to be saying that Willie is too stubborn to change or play our shooters. I guess that's not what you meant.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 9:31 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:Nah, it's more so that 1 game of playing Hawkins or 20 minutes does not prove that Willie has changed and we don't have to worry any more and Willie will play way more shooter lineups going forward.
C'mon, man. You know that I always read Shamit's stuff and I already read that. And I generally agree with Shamit, but you seemed to be saying that Willie is too stubborn to change or play our shooters. I guess that's not what you meant.
It definitely did not prove THAT much.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 9:31 am to Dinky Mulberry
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refuse to write Willie off
Willie is the coach you hire to develop chemistry and achieve buy-in. THEN you hire a championship level coach. I thin next season will be that time
Posted on 1/16/24 at 11:07 am to Pels_Yaz
You whined about me deflecting and you spent the whole thread deflecting. You whined about me not arguing anything, and you've made no argument. It would be a reasonably funny troll if I didn't think you were serious.
You're one of a handful of posters that keeps me away from this board for weeks at a time.
You're one of a handful of posters that keeps me away from this board for weeks at a time.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 11:18 am to Pels_Yaz
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Like who? Who is that guy?
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There are several guys out there that have more experience than Willie.
I mean you really think there aren’t coaches out there better and more experienced than Willie? Come on man thats a silly take.
Sure there are coaches with more experience, but what's your list of the guys available?
Posted on 1/16/24 at 11:19 am to TotesMcGotes
Willie is incredibly stubborn and frequently puts the team into bad situations with his lineups. I mean must of us are calling for Griff to trade Naji, who for most other teams would be a nice depth piece, because willie cant fricking help himself.
We've added enough shooting to this roster that there should never be less than 2 shooters on the floor at any time. Yet willie routinely puts out lineups with minimal to zero shooting.
We've added enough shooting to this roster that there should never be less than 2 shooters on the floor at any time. Yet willie routinely puts out lineups with minimal to zero shooting.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 11:36 am to Balsamic_duck
Thinking Willie needs to go at this point seems far premature. He’s improving his record every year and has done a great job developing our last 3 rookie classes despite a crowded roster.
He overachieved his first year when Zion played zero games.
I think he overachieved last year given Zion didn’t play after December.
We are midway through year 3 and he has the pelicans firmly in the 4-6 seed range in the west. Everyone near or ahead of the pelicans in the standings in the west, other than the kings, has an elite guy anchoring the team.
The pelicans don’t have that elite guy unless and until Zion takes a step forward. As is, Willie is coaching a team where his best player might be the laziest on the team, and his second best player plays a difficult style to integrate into a team offense (and also is lazy on defense).
I’m definitely giving Willie this season and next at this point to prove himself.
He overachieved his first year when Zion played zero games.
I think he overachieved last year given Zion didn’t play after December.
We are midway through year 3 and he has the pelicans firmly in the 4-6 seed range in the west. Everyone near or ahead of the pelicans in the standings in the west, other than the kings, has an elite guy anchoring the team.
The pelicans don’t have that elite guy unless and until Zion takes a step forward. As is, Willie is coaching a team where his best player might be the laziest on the team, and his second best player plays a difficult style to integrate into a team offense (and also is lazy on defense).
I’m definitely giving Willie this season and next at this point to prove himself.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 11:45 am to Pels_Yaz
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Wow you must enjoy arguing like a third grader. I’m sure people take you seriously very often lol
Read the room, chief.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 11:50 am to TotesMcGotes
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You whined about me deflecting and you spent the whole thread deflecting. You whined about me not arguing anything, and you've made no argument. It would be a reasonably funny troll if I didn't think you were serious. You're one of a handful of posters that keeps me away from this board for weeks at a time.
Your argument is that there are no coaches better than Willie so we should just tolerate Willie’s weaknesses and just wait for him to improve. You have whined on this whole thread about not getting on Willie because there are no coaches better. So in your mind its ok if Willie sucks because there isn’t anyone better- no one is going to accept that. This board would be better if posters like you would stop whining about people calling out your arguments.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 12:03 pm to ned nederlander
quote:I think the issue is many think we do have that guy but Willie schemes that guy as our #2 option.
Everyone near or ahead of the pelicans in the standings in the west, other than the kings, has an elite guy anchoring the team.
The pelicans don’t have that elite guy
quote:We're in year 5, and we still seem to not know how good Zion can be. 1st 4 years, not Willie's fault. He wasn't here and/or Zion wasn't healthy. Zion is healthy this season, and halfway through the season, we STILL don't know if Zion can be that #1 because we've spent the entire season with him as the 2nd option.
unless and until Zion takes a step forward.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 12:29 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Your argument is that there are no coaches better than Willie so we should just tolerate Willie’s weaknesses and just wait for him to improve. You have whined on this whole thread about not getting on Willie because there are no coaches better. So in your mind its ok if Willie sucks because there isn’t anyone better
None of these things are accurate. Literally not one.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 12:31 pm to 504Voodoo
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Sure there are coaches with more experience, but what's your list of the guys available?
Don’t you dare ask him a question - multiple times - that he will not answer. He will accuse you of deflecting!
Posted on 1/16/24 at 12:35 pm to TotesMcGotes
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Don’t you dare ask him a question - multiple times - that he will not answer. He will accuse you of deflecting!
3rd grader lol
Posted on 1/16/24 at 12:37 pm to Pels_Yaz
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3rd grader lol
Came back to insult, but not actually answer the question. Interesting. Who's on this list of coaches you believe are readily available that you'd disrupt the team to fire Willie and go get?
Posted on 1/16/24 at 12:38 pm to TotesMcGotes
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None of these things are accurate. Literally not one.
Sorry his argument is Willie is doing a solid job but he has plenty to be desired. So Willie sucks- but hes doing great gotchya. Plus there are no available coaches better than Willie.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 12:40 pm to DarkHornet
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Who's on this list of coaches you believe are readily available that you'd disrupt the team to fire Willie and go get?
I have not once advocated to fire Willie in season- go read my posts since you love responding to it. I stated Griffin needs to make a decision this offseason. Thats when we can look at available candidates. There are no candidates in season thats why I never stated to fire him in season.
This post was edited on 1/16/24 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 1/16/24 at 12:43 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Sorry his argument is Willie is doing a solid job but he has plenty to be desired
Correct.
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So Willie sucks- but hes doing great gotchya.
Incorrect.
Again, I don’t see how you can’t understand that these things aren’t mutually exclusive. You can be good at something and have plenty of room to improve.
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Plus there are no available coaches better than Willie.
We’ve asked you for three fricking pages to tell us who they are.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 12:46 pm to TotesMcGotes
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We’ve asked you for three fricking pages to tell us who they are.
Ok you want a list- here you go.
Sam Cassell
Kenny Atkinson
Charles Lee
Budenhoizer
Now go ahead and analyze these guys and tell me how Willie is better?
Again a lot more candidates will be available this offseason when I think a decision on Willie will be made.
This post was edited on 1/16/24 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 1/16/24 at 12:50 pm to TotesMcGotes
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You can be good at something and have plenty of room to improve.
You can’t be good at your job if you have plenty to be desired.
Plenty to be desired is not the same as plenty to be improved. Trust me you do a job review(which I have)- those are not the same things. Maybe choose your words carefully next time.
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