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re: Smug PhD gets put in her place
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:can you explain this?
Hee job is to defend the system, not the kids.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:43 am to oogabooga68
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But you are a Jihadist for a Party that DOES support trans ideology, therefore you are no better.
Because her tribe believes kids aren't yours, they belong to the public.
That's why trans ideology is using teachers as evangelists
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:43 am to 4cubbies
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and this is teachers fault?
Yes, but I would say it's a more systemic failure.
Look, public school is a universal, mass mandatory program controlled by the federal government in which kids from all backgrounds are forced to attend.
If anyone...ANYONE, conservative, liberal, moderate, whatever, thinks that system has a snowball's chance in hell of producing a good result, I don't know what to tell them.
No other country anywhere in the world anywhere near the size and diversity of the US tries anything like this. They know better.
The biggest predictor of school success is parental involvement. That's not something you can mandate or legislate. So you've got schools filled with kids who are there only because the law forces them to be there...neither they nor their parents care about them learning one GD thing. In fact, some of them are actively discouraged from doing so, lest they be "acting white."
So those students disrupt school all day for children who ARE trying to learn something and no one really gets much out of it.
For some reason, we still think we can force this situation instead of offering it as a public service but not requiring it, and instead requiring behavioral and academic performance standards for students. So that you don't get to go to public school just because you can fog a mirror. You actually have to behave and perform up to standards or you lose the privilege.
Poor teachers are a symptom of the system, which is doomed from the outset. The profession now attracts many candidates of questionable ability (because who else would want to wade into that mess if they had better options?) and the minority who are talented and purpose driven (at first) get burned out very quickly when they experience what they have to deal with. So they quit or at least to some degree coast.
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Who gets credited for the 4/5 of HS graduates that are literate?
I agree that your private school education wasn't anything to brag about, because your math is off.
I gave you TWO stats, not one. The first is that 20% of all HS GRADUATES—this part is of paramount importance; we're not talking about dropouts or kids whom the system designated as failures...we're talking about the ones the system gave a stamp of approval to—are illterate. The second is that half of American adults can't read above a 6th grade level. And there's no telling what the standard of a 6th grade level is supposed to mean these days. It probably means they can read a Taco Bell menu and that's about it.
Anyway, that 80% is not really 80%. It's 80% of GRADUATES.
And it's not as though that 80% can read up a storm. Half of the total can't read past a 6th grade level.
So if you think 40% of students who were passed through 12 grades and can only read at a 6th grade level is an accomplishment worth giving credit for, you may give that credit to whomever you like. Whoever it is will doubtless consider it quite a dubious honor and will likely suspect sarcasm.
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Trump?
What does that guy have to do with the price of eggs in China?
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:43 am to 4cubbies
I'll play along with an answer worthy of the person asking the question:
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Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:44 am to 4cubbies
Yes, you're here to defend the system at the expense of students.
You blame everyone, but public teachers.
You blame everyone, but public teachers.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:44 am to oogabooga68
quote:a jihadist for whom now? What does that mean? You’re criticizing me for… not buying into trans ideology? Or is it my fault that other people buy into it because you said so?
But you are a Jihadist for a Party that DOES support trans ideology, therefore you are no better.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:47 am to anc
'Intelligence' and 'having papers' are not mutually inclusive.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:50 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I understand that ultimately parents are responsible for their children. I understand that parents are the primary educators of their children. If my kid doesn’t learn how to read, that’s my fault.
You blame everyone, but public teachers.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:50 am to 4cubbies
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a jihadist for whom now?
You are a Democrat.
Democrats are the anti-Science Party carrying the banner of Trans ideology.
Sorry....
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:51 am to 4cubbies
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You’re claiming most public schools are more concerned with gender identities than reading and math. it’s hard to even respond to such a ridiculous claim. Do you really believe this?
You tell me. They seem VERY concerned with making sure the students know all about gender identities and with helping students hide these issues from their parents. To the point that they will clearly violate parental rights to do so.
They don't seem nearly as concerned about making sure that their students can read. If so, why do they keep passing them even though they can't? You tell me.
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So they are out of touch with the modern world?
No, they see exactly what's happening. Thus their criticism. You said they were criticizing their own education and that is simply false. The system was very different then, as you just acknowledged.
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And they are mad about it?
I don't know if I would say mad. Concerned. I think anyone who is NOT concerned with how badly our public school systems are performing is kind of stupid, actually.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:53 am to 4cubbies
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I understand that ultimately parents are responsible for their children. I understand that parents are the primary educators of their children. If my kid doesn’t learn how to read, that’s my fault.
I agree with you on that.
So I'll bet we also agree that universal compulsory mass education is obviously a losing proposition.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:55 am to wackatimesthree
quote:so why are teachers unions being criticized for school failures instead of parents? I 100% agree with the need for parental involvement, btw.
The biggest predictor of school success is parental involvement.
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So that you don't get to go to public school just because you can fog a mirror. You actually have to behave and perform up to standards or you lose the privilege.
This does make sense.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:56 am to 4cubbies
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so why are teachers unions being criticized for school failures instead of parents?
I haven't said a word about teacher's unions.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:57 am to oogabooga68
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You are a Democrat.
What makes you say that?
quote:what does this have to do with me?
Democrats are the anti-Science Party carrying the banner of Trans ideology.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:57 am to wackatimesthree
quote:fair enough.
I haven't said a word about teacher's unions.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:57 am to 4cubbies
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understand that ultimately parents are responsible for their children. I understand that parents are the primary educators of their children. If my kid doesn’t learn how to read, that’s my fault.
Then we should fire every teacher and subsidize parents to stay home and teach their kids right?
Save so much money with better results.
The public system costs too much for the value it brings.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:59 am to wackatimesthree
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agree with you on that.
So do I, which means we waste a shotload on public education for people who shouldn't be in the system.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 11:00 am to 4cubbies
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What makes you say that?
My acute observational skills coupled with the inability to be dishonest.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 11:02 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Then we should fire every teacher and subsidize parents to stay home and teach their kids right?
Exactly.
I don't think Cubbies is smart enough to understand that ultimately her argument isn't making her point....
Posted on 11/9/23 at 11:02 am to oogabooga68
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don't think Cubbies is smart enough to understand that ultimately her argument isn't making her point....
She's directly saying teachers make no difference.
Thank God for AI, eh?
This post was edited on 11/9/23 at 11:04 am
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