re: Does the Holy Land belong to The Church?

so do we as christians worship Yahweh or Elohim?

just downloaded Elliott Friedmans book “who wrote the bible” and its been fascinating

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so do we as christians worship Yahweh or Elohim?

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Yes. Christianity is an offshoot of the first temple (Solomon) religion from before Hezekiah, Josiah, Nebuchadnezzar, and Cyrus re-wrote and edited the older texts to form a different religion (Judaism). In the religion of Solomon, itself an offshoot of earlier Canaanite religion, each king was anointed “messiah” with myrrh oil while burning frankincense and was considered the earthly incarnation of Yahweh. Yahweh, a god of war, weather, and volcanoes, also known as Baal Hadad, had a wife Anat. Yahweh’s father was the high god El Elyon. In Deuteronomy 32:8-9 Yahweh receives Israel as his inheritance from El Elyon. El Elyon had a wife, Asherah, the mother of all gods and the Queen of Heaven, who was also sometimes called the Holy Spirit and sometimes called Wisdom, depending on the book.

There was no Trinity in early Christianity, nor a virgin birth, but amongst the earliest Christians, Jesus was the earthly messiah who, just like David and Solomon, was considered Yahweh incarnate. In Paul’s gospel, Jesus is the great archangel Yahweh, the most important of El Elyon’s sons. The Christians were happy the temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70CE (gospel Jesus even threatened to destroy it). The Christians thought that the second temple priestly class had corrupted the temple and the entire religion, and longed for the day of the return of the “true” temple.

In the temple of Solomon, the most important deity was Yahweh/Baal, but Asherah, Anat, El Elyon, Nehushtan, and others were worshipped there. We know that from many non-biblical sources, but even the Bible admits this (though it calls these practices of worship of other gods idolatry and bad).

I don’t know what all Christians believe so I’ll use Catholicism as a reference. They worship El Elyon (father), Yahweh (Jesus/son), and Asherah (Mary/mother/Wisdom/Holy Spirit).

Elohim is a plural noun meaning divine spirits, generally. Angels are elohim. Cherubims and seraphims are Elohim. Dead people in heaven are Elohim (see the ghost of the prophet Samuel). All the gods I mentioned above, plus the gods of other nations like Marduk, Osiris, Chemosh, etc. are Elohim too. But… for some reason I haven’t figured out, in many texts the scribe chose to replace Yahweh’s name with Elohim. You’ve got to look at the context and the conjugated verbs in Hebrew, and it can be confusing until you know what to look for.

Look at the first line of Psalm 82:

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1Elohim has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the elohim he holds judgment:

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The first elohim is singular and meant to be Yahweh. The second Elohim is plural and meant to be all the other gods that Yahweh is going to judge. Other gods mind you that the author believes really exist. Yahweh isn’t the only god if he’s going to enact judgement on other gods.

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just downloaded Elliott Friedmans book “who wrote the bible” and its been fascinating

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That’s a good book. I need to re-read it myself because I was half asleep when I read the second half while flying to Europe.

You need to update with a look at the latest on Yiddish

LINK

The link you were posting was distorted, as many political sources would be expected to be. People dont really grasp how important this stuff is becoming.

Heard there was a database theft a few weeks ago from "23andme" the genetic info company.

The hackers looked for and found/identified Ashkenazi J's - thousands ETA {correction - a MILLION peoples info was hacked/stolen; interestingly about this Ashkenazi Jew topic

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Israel’s grafting back into the root (Jesus) is conditional it seems.

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A condition that will obviously be met




Romans 12:25
25 ¶ Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written


Jeremiah 31:31

Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


Now how can anyone claim that Jeremiah is talking about some Gentiles who believed, and somehow became the new jews? The Bible clearly says they are direct decedents of the Jews brought out of Egypt .

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you speak in a childish ignorance

If the imposters become Judeans, then so they do.. in obvious ways

If they dont they are not chosen; and people like you are forced to OPENLY support criminal evil

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You’ve clearly made a “graven image” out of the Jews. They’re the focal point of your religious beliefs.

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I’m simply posting scripture and what it says. I don’t worship the Jews or anyone else but Jesus.
Again, what I believe about the Jews or what anyone else believes about them is irrelevant.

i believe the palestinians are mostly arab who may have some jewish and mediterranean(philistine) admixture

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Again it is well known that the present Palestinians are former Jews who converted to Islam.

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Now that is a hell of a oddity, no?

Jewish converts being run out of their land by Iranian/Slavic/Turkic Yids...

The fruit of the Balfour Declaration and Rothschild manipulation, "give a country which you don't own to a third group, imposters, who also don't own it; taken away from the people who DO own it"

"or did"... now turning out to be the people who were promised the promised land