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The student loan industrial complex

Posted on 8/17/23 at 8:29 am
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
11010 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 8:29 am
A system that feeds on itself.

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government basically vomits money at everyone who applies.

If private lenders gave out the loans, they'd look at whether they were likely to be paid back. They'd ask questions like: "What will you study? You really think majoring in dance will lead to a job that will pay you enough to allow you to pay us back?


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College is good for people who want to be college professors or who major in fields like engineering and computer science that might lead to good jobs. But that's not most people. Government loans encourage everyone to go to college, even if they're not very interested in academics


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Government's handouts also invite colleges to keep raising tuition. Over the past 50 years, college cost rose at four times the rate of inflation. Four times!


Article from Reason…

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Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
27472 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 8:30 am to
Thanks Obama
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
50473 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 8:32 am to
And it will only get worse with more useless degrees and higher costs. This is what happens when people use other peoples money for platitudes and bullshite programs. 90% of people in higher education would never make it in the real world.

Another industry that will destroy itself, then expect a bailout from the very people they hate with a passion.

Got to hand it to Progressives: they know how to milk everything dry, the get blood from the stone.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 8:37 am to
College should be for the rich, the super talented that earn scholarships based on merit and poor guys who can run really fast with a football.

The rest of us should be in trade schools.
This post was edited on 8/17/23 at 8:43 am
Posted by JasonDBlaha
Woodlands, Texas
Member since Apr 2023
2474 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 8:39 am to
Too much spending on beefing up already bloated administrative staffs with meaningless jobs like diversity officers is the kind of shite that drives up tuition costs significantly.

Unless you come from a rich family who can pay it all out of pocket, stick to a community college for 2 years and transfer to the flagship university in your state. If the location is close, live at home with your parents and the cost will be even lower to where you may not have to take out a single loan. It doesn’t take being a financial genius to figure this out.

But of course Gen Z kids view college as a “vacation” rather than a tool to explore career options. They don’t care one bit about taking out loans if it means being able to have the “college experience”, because to them, posting Instagram pictures of themselves partying at frat houses is more important than having a stable career with no debt
This post was edited on 8/17/23 at 8:50 am
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
65974 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 8:41 am to

What do you think about UT having one of the largest student populations in the country?
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
7859 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 8:45 am to
Everything the government touches turns to ashes.

I started at LSU in 08. The student loan market was federalized in 10/11. The cost of tuition nearly tripled by the time I graduated in 2013. I was out of state.

The quality of education did not triple, I can assure you.
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
10399 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 8:46 am to
This is why nobody with a functioning brain should support blanket student loan forgiveness on its own, regardless of political leanings. Doing so without addressing the root cause is like trying to fix a burst pipe by wiping the floor with a towel.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
79146 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 8:48 am to
Every layer of this is a racket. The more useless/harmful it is to the student , the more it perpetuates.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42582 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 8:48 am to
The alternative is to put barriers up and only the wealthy can attend college.
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
17086 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 11:35 am to
I just don’t understand why people are going to college for about 90% of degree fields.

The BS behind it though is when you have jobs that want certain positions to have a degree like basically a glorified secretary and have degree preferred or account manager and degree preferred. That causes people to go get BS degrees because they can’t even get an interview without one
Posted by McVick
Member since Jan 2011
4478 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 11:57 am to
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If private lenders gave out the loans, they'd look at whether they were likely to be paid back. They'd ask questions like: "What will you study? You really think majoring in dance will lead to a job that will pay you enough to allow you to pay us back?


I don't remember this being the case before the federalization of student loans. Why should I think this would change if private lenders had more control?

This line of thinking would also impact undeclared students or ones who switch majors after their first semester or more. Would the private lender suddenly halt the loan if someone switched from a business major to an economics major? Or to an education major? This seems like it would force students to stick with majors they may not excel in or care about. Or limit their opportunity to switch majors to complete any degree. Yes, lenders can choose who they want to lend money to but successful ones will squeeze out competition and become too big to fail.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
41275 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 12:13 pm to
The student loan industry is basically the same thing that the real estate industry was prior to '08. As long as the gov't backstops bad purchasing decisions, why wouldn't colleges raise tuition and expand as much as possible? It's a house of cards and a total waste of money.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37202 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 12:22 pm to
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If private lenders gave out the loans, they'd look at whether they were likely to be paid back. They'd ask questions like: "What will you study? You really think majoring in dance will lead to a job that will pay you enough to allow you to pay us back?


LOL no.

The only question they would ask is the same question that private student loan lenders ask now, and that is... what's your credit look like?

The vast majority of students would need a co-sigher. That's fine if your parents have good credik. But for a lot of students, that is not the case.

TOPS is a good system. It should be in every state. The standards are low. If you want more than that, pay it yourself. But at least if you are of even basic intelligence, you get a degree for basically free.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30805 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 12:30 pm to
any time the govt tries to make something affordable it gets more expensive.
Posted by AP83
Cottonport
Member since Sep 2009
2728 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 12:35 pm to
You should be able to go to college and take classes for only your major. My son going for engineering shouldn't have to take and pay for BS psych, sociology and a foreign language class he will never need. If the crap classes were cut out most kids could finish in 2-3 years max.
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
Member since Feb 2005
17978 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 1:35 pm to
Too many kids go to college without an objective of any kind. Their parents view anything other than college as some type of life failure and they want the modern college experience as if it is some kind of right of passage to upper middle class bliss.

Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
18135 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 1:36 pm to
The people who really should be in the student loan business are the colleges and universities, themselves. They all have endowments worth hundreds of millions, up to tens of billions. Let them be the ones to stick their necks out for marginal students, and majors that aren’t worth the tuitions invested.
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
6625 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 1:37 pm to
Ok so xiden* and his minions want to pay off college student loan debt.

What about the new crop of college students that start this fall majoring in Moron studies ?
Posted by 8lue
Member since Jan 2014
349 posts
Posted on 8/17/23 at 2:04 pm to
Close college in 5 years we have AI.
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