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Didn't realize Keith Hernandez is not in the HOF
Posted on 8/10/23 at 5:10 am
Posted on 8/10/23 at 5:10 am
Considered the greatest defensive 1st Base of all time and a pretty solid contact hitter with moderate power. A key figure to some great teams that won championships.
11 Gold Gloves
1 MVP
2 World Series
2 Solver Slugger
6 All Star
.296 career average
.384 OBP
2182 H
1071 RBI
1124 R
11 Gold Gloves
1 MVP
2 World Series
2 Solver Slugger
6 All Star
.296 career average
.384 OBP
2182 H
1071 RBI
1124 R
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Posted on 8/10/23 at 5:12 am to burger bearcat
Probably because he had that altercation with Newman and Kramer
Posted on 8/10/23 at 5:43 am to burger bearcat
He's in the Seinfeld guest hall of fame
Posted on 8/10/23 at 5:49 am to burger bearcat
He’s an a-hole that’s too cheap to hire movers
Posted on 8/10/23 at 5:56 am to burger bearcat
his cocaine usuage was pretty known, and put a stain on baseball, big court ordeal.
baseball writer value feelings over facts
baseball writer value feelings over facts
Posted on 8/10/23 at 6:30 am to burger bearcat
I HATE Keith Hernandez!
Posted on 8/10/23 at 6:30 am to burger bearcat
He’s in the Hall of Very Good
Posted on 8/10/23 at 7:51 am to burger bearcat
I'm not driving him to the airport.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 8:18 am to burger bearcat
Posted on 8/10/23 at 8:27 am to burger bearcat
Posted on 8/10/23 at 9:00 am to burger bearcat
I can't speak to how he was with the Mets, but with the Cardinals he was one of the toughest outs with the game on the line. He could work any lefty pitcher for walks and flares to left field. A line drive machine. Then there was his defense.
I've never before or since seen a 1st baseman who would charge so hard in bunt situations he could field bunts on the 3rd base side of the mound. Absolutely fearless. He was also so great at positioning to catch pick-off attempts (crouching in foul territory with his glove inches above the bag), MLB changed the rules after complaints from Davey Johnson to force him to be inside the lines. (All he did was position his body down the right field line).
By any metric he was a winner, but his overall stats are probably just a little bit shy.
I've never before or since seen a 1st baseman who would charge so hard in bunt situations he could field bunts on the 3rd base side of the mound. Absolutely fearless. He was also so great at positioning to catch pick-off attempts (crouching in foul territory with his glove inches above the bag), MLB changed the rules after complaints from Davey Johnson to force him to be inside the lines. (All he did was position his body down the right field line).
By any metric he was a winner, but his overall stats are probably just a little bit shy.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 9:53 am to burger bearcat
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Considered the greatest defensive 1st Base of all time
Is he? His 11 consecutive Gold Gloves is impressive but his #46 rank in fielding percentage (.9942) all-time makes me wonder about that. Hernandez did play 17279.0 innings at first, which is more than a lot of other players ahead of him but less than:
Rafael Palmeiro (#43 @ .9943 with 18505.0 innings)
Steve Garvey (#10 @ .9959 with 17965.1 innings)
Todd Helton (#8 @ .9962 with 18559.1 innings)
only slightly more than John Olerud (#18 @ .9954 with 17230.0 innings).
Also, If you look up any list of best defensive first-basemen, he doesn't even make the top 20.
He wasn't even the best defensive first baseman of his era, his only claim might be the 11 consecutive Gold Gloves.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 9:56 am to burger bearcat
It RUINED our day.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 10:06 am to burger bearcat
I can’t believe Will Clark and Don Mattingly aren’t in the Hall of Fame.
Dale Murphy too.
These guys were the best players in the game.
Yet they put in guys (compilers) like Harold Baines, Bert Blyleven, Ted Simmons, and Bruce Sutter.
Dale Murphy too.
These guys were the best players in the game.
Yet they put in guys (compilers) like Harold Baines, Bert Blyleven, Ted Simmons, and Bruce Sutter.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 10:59 am to burger bearcat
Like Mark Grace, he was a line drive hitter at a power position.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 11:32 am to burger bearcat
Hernandez and Murphy should have already been in the HOF.
2 of the best whole 80's decade.
2 of the best whole 80's decade.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 11:39 am to burger bearcat
Posted on 8/10/23 at 9:20 pm to burger bearcat
Very good player. And an important part of two championship teams.
I do remember when he was shipped out from STL to the Mets. At that time Keith got some media shots off in the direction of Whitey for the trade and that did cost Herzog for a while. Trading a great player and not getting much in return does that.
Eventually it became clear the drug use by KH was a big part of the decision. The stink of Keith badmouthing Herzog eventually reversed IMO. And the fact that Whitey kept quiet about the effect of his drug use on the decision later enhanced public perception of Herzog's character and did the reverse to Hernandez in some media circles.
Who knows how much what affected what but KH really could have used every benefit of the doubt and he didn't deserve it. Gooden and Strawberry being so much less in total than they seemed destined to become (because of drug use) might also have significantly affected Keith's HOF chances.
It cost them championships and Hernandez could hardly claim to have been either an innocent or a good influence on the their individual outcomes.
I do remember when he was shipped out from STL to the Mets. At that time Keith got some media shots off in the direction of Whitey for the trade and that did cost Herzog for a while. Trading a great player and not getting much in return does that.
Eventually it became clear the drug use by KH was a big part of the decision. The stink of Keith badmouthing Herzog eventually reversed IMO. And the fact that Whitey kept quiet about the effect of his drug use on the decision later enhanced public perception of Herzog's character and did the reverse to Hernandez in some media circles.
Who knows how much what affected what but KH really could have used every benefit of the doubt and he didn't deserve it. Gooden and Strawberry being so much less in total than they seemed destined to become (because of drug use) might also have significantly affected Keith's HOF chances.
It cost them championships and Hernandez could hardly claim to have been either an innocent or a good influence on the their individual outcomes.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 9:52 pm to burger bearcat
quote:
Keith Hernandez is not in the HOF
Posted on 8/10/23 at 10:29 pm to burger bearcat
Similar in some ways to Dale Murphy
2 MVPs
7 All Stars
4 Silver Sluggers
Batting average .265
Hits 2,111
Home runs 398
Runs batted in. 1,266
2 MVPs
7 All Stars
4 Silver Sluggers
Batting average .265
Hits 2,111
Home runs 398
Runs batted in. 1,266
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 10:30 pm
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