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TulaneLSU's 2023 Top 10 items at Pancho's Mexican Buffet

Posted on 7/8/23 at 7:41 am
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Welcome Friends,



When the word of the Lord came to Jonah for him to get up at once and go to the wicked city of Nineveh, he got up at once. However, rather than run to Nineveh, the place of his calling, he ran from the Lord and headed to Tarshish. I always assumed it was because Nineveh would not receive well his condemnation. And so he ran, but you cannot run from God’s calling. A great storm came upon his ship, and the sailors, having figured out Jonah had been naughty, tossed him into the tempest where a giant fish swallowed the prophet.

Yesterday, the last moment I remember of my dream was a voice saying, “Humble.”Those first five minutes after waking are always the clearest of my day, as new information does not cloud the old. When I considered that word, Humble, I took it as a command to focus that day on humility. Then I considered, “Maybe God wants me to humble the proud? Or even humble myself?” And then it came to me: Perhaps it is a place, a calling.

So I used the internet to search Humble as a place. The first place that returned was Humble, TX, which a century ago was America’s largest oilfield. I continued my search, and found a link to Pancho’s Mexican Buffet. This once giant of the Mexican food industry has been humbled to three remaining locations: Arlington, Fort Worth, and Humble. I knew immediately that this was a call for me to leave at once. In retrospect, I should have called Tiger Ryno to join me.

Not wanting to share the fate of Jonah, I rose and told Mother, who was asleep, that I must leave and borrow her car. She did not protest except to say, “Do not speed and dobe return before church.”

My cousins who lived in Kenner loved Pancho's Mexican buffet and annually, the youngest of them would have her birthday party at Pancho's. The entire family and more than 20 of her friends would go. The backroom, next to the sopaipilla fryer, was reserved for us. I liked the main room more due to the more authentic decorations and being closer to the wrap around line of people waiting with bated breath to get their fill of the best Mexican in Metairie, perhaps even better than Taco Tico. I would argue that overall Pancho's as a restaurant was better, but that the tacos at the Tico were better than Pancho's tacos.

I vaguely remember being able to look out the old Pancho's backroom windows and see that old Rosedale Mall, which had two memorable stores: a really rundown pet store, I believe it was called Pets and Stuff, and an old Kershenstine's jerky store. I knew one of the owner's sons from the playground. This view was never worth the isolation the back room made me feel. Sitting in the main room was far more social and whisked the diner to the border towns that Pancho Villa roamed a century ago. It is historically comic that one of New Orleans' most beloved restaurants is named, most likely, after a Mexican national who invaded and attacked a U.S. city. History is a funny thing. In a century's time, could there be in this land a bin Laden's Saudi buffet?





I never had the pleasure of celebrating a birthday at Pancho's, but experienced it vicariously through my cousin. Each year, she received a sombrero to wear for a free Polaroid. Before the picture was snapped, she chose the pinata of her choice from the main dining room's tile roof. It was not filled with any goodies, and that did not matter. This was the 1990s and a pinata was a big deal to a kid in the Metro New Orleans. Pinatas were not a common thing -- you couldn't get one at Walmart or the local Latino grocer as you can today. Pancho's was the only pinata game in town, and it was only at your birthday, if you were a member of Pancho's Birthday Fiesta Club, that you could get one. That Birthday Fiesta Club was something else. Nowadays, parents might be hesitant to enroll their kids in such a program, giving out secretive data like address and birthday. But 25 years ago, parents allowed for it and the blessed ones got a little postcard in the mail about a month before the big day.

Once the sombrero was on and the pinata chosen, the staff would gather to sing Feliz cumpleaños. I was too young to know the meaning, but loved singing the words, or at least an attempt at the words. At the time, I thought they were singing "Felipe Cucos Honda Audi," so that is what I sang. When the last words were sung, the waitress would grab the restaurant's Polaroid. Children had the option: keep the photo or post it on the birthday wall. I always wanted my photo on the wall. In some years, I believe a glass, like the one I have from the auction, was also given as the holder of an ice cream dessert.

That Metairie Pancho's, as most of you know, was not the city's first Pancho's. Many old timers say that the first Pancho's was downtown. Not true, my friends. The first was actually located in Old Jefferson at 725 Jefferson Highway, which most recently was a radiator shop. That big curve in Jefferson, just past the Orleans Parish line, was prime real estate for Mexican food. In 1958 both Pancho's Restaurant and Manuel’s Hot Tamale and Chili House at 952 Jefferson Highway opened. What a year for Old Jefferson it was. It closed just three years later without much pomp or remembrance.

The Pancho's Mexican Buffet that is near and dear to so many old New Orleanians' hearts first opened in February of 1972 at 918 Gravier St. in the CBD. This El Paso chain was sweeping the nation, and New Orleans joined the club, with other locations in Longview, Corpus Christi, Austin, Houston, Dallas, Fort Worth, Albuquerque, and even Baton Rouge! Businessmen of the city rushed to join the novel Mexican food craze downtown, often spurning longtime favorites like Galatoire's and Antoine's for a slog along that hot foot line.







Pancho's was such a hit that its parent company, PAMEX Foods Inc., decided to expand to Metairie in the Autumn of 1974. The address was 3780 Veterans in Rosedale Mall, which technically was a mall, but not in the way Americans use the term. It was here that Taco Wednesday was born. For just a buck, five beefy and cheesy tacos could be had. Talk about a dollar menu! Many of Pancho's workers were immigrants and it was one of the first restaurants in New Orleans that sought Spanish speaking workers.

An all-you-can-eat meal in 1980 ran 2.99 for adults, which was a dollar more than it had been just a few years earlier at the downtown location. For many New Orleanians, it was Pancho's, not Taco Tico, that gave them a first taste of Mexican cuisine. Back in those days, the way Uncle tells it, Pancho's lacked in neither quantity nor quality. "The cooks and kitchen workers took great pride in their food in the restaurant's first decade," he told me tonight. In 1980, the restaurant opened its first Westbank store at 6575 Westbank Expressway in Marrero.
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Posted by TulaneLSU
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The downtown location began to struggle, as businessman shied away from the glutinous, legume-laden hotplates that may have made after lunch deals a bit gaseous. The suburban locations, however, were booming. A third location, this time in Chalmette, opened in in April of 1986. It was located at 3027 Jean Lafitte, just off Judge Perez. It suffered catastrophic flooding in Katrina and was torn down. I remember once eating here with Mother. If my memory serves me correctly, you could look out the window and see the playing fields at the old Andrew Jackson High School. I also remember that this Pancho's tasted no where near as wonderfully as the one in Metairie, nor did its decor approach the Metairie flagship's intricate design.

The artwork in the Metairie Pancho's was dark, detailed and almost entirely oil based. The figures depicted macho military men and matadors. The women were shown in maternal or seductive ways. Once when I was examining the magnificent frame of one painting, Mother thought I was ogling the female figure’s cleavage. She corrected me and told me never to look at that painting again. She also talked to the manager to have that painting removed, which I do not think ever happened. I say I do not think because I made sure never again to look in the direction of where that painting was located.

Speaking of the frames, I have vivid memories of those painting frames. They were intricately carved wood, almost black in color, perhaps made of Katalox. Seldom if ever cleaned, I can remember thinking as a child, "These paintings and their frames are filthy. I wish someone would dust them." If memory serves me correctly, there was also a fountain near the middle of the restaurant with real running water, but that memory is hazy. I do know there was a soft serve ice cream machine in a center island of the restaurant. It was accompanied by a toppings bar filled with gummy bears, sprinkles, chocolate chips and other sweets. I hardly ever ate the ice cream because the sopaipillas were so good.

In the front, not far from the cash register, was a disgusting bar, which I assume sold alcoholic beverages, but gratefully I was never with an adult who drank alcohol. To its western side was a game room with a crane and claw game. It was owned by Lucky Coin Co. if I recall correctly, and I never once inserted a dime. They were and are after me, you know. There also were electronic video games in that game nook. At one time, it hosted Metal Gear. Mother would not let me play because it was a game of violence and she knew where that money was going. Cousin let me play once, though, and I lasted only about 45 seconds. Very early in my life I vaguely recall there was also a cigarette machine in that corner. How disgusting.

At one of cousin’s birthday parties, we went on a Friday night. And boy was it crowded. I remember we joined the line, perhaps 30 people out the door. The line was so long it wrapped nearly to the takeout counter on the southeastern corner of the building, which I never had the pleasure of trying. After all, you went to Pancho’s to eat all you could, not to get a premade dish of five items.

Waiting in that line felt like an eternity. The menu was located at the end of that long line, just where you turned right, only feet before the buffet began. That was the hardest part of the wait -- those few feet right after you made the right turn. You could smell those fatty, earthy smells. You could hear the metal heated trays hitting the metal tongs the first server used to grip the trays, because they were that hot. The steam rose from those hot water bins. And then finally, you made it. Kids plates were cheaper and you had the dishonor of getting a red plastic nest for your metal tray. Adults got the real deal, a black plastic nest. Perhaps the greatest gift of puberty was making that rite of passage where the red nests were traded for black ones.

Often the workers behind the glass sneeze guard, and this was in pre-Covid19 world, pretended they did not speak English well enough to take your order. So I then, to their surprise, ordered in Spanish. The chili rellenos, tamales, and flautas were first. I loaded up on these. Next were the enchiladas. They always had the cream cheese and cheese varieties, but there would normally be a third type, often just labeled green or red. Moving down the line were the rice and beans. I firmly believe that the workers were instructed to put an order of each on every plate. If they got your plate before you arrived to their territory -- and often that was the case as the workers were radically efficient in sliding your plate down the stainless steel line, just like a barkeep might slide a drink down the bar in the Old West -- you could be assured that rice and beans would be plopped unceremoniously on your plate as though you were in a Depression era soup line. I knew this tactic, so I always readied my lips with, “No arroz. No frijoles, por favor!” It almost always worked.

It was actually Pancho's that inspired me to learn Spanish. As an eight year old, I remember reading the signs over the door. "Bienvenidos, Amigos. Mi Casa Es Su Casa" greeted your entrance. "Gracias, Amigos. Vaya Con Dios" was written overhead the exit. Mother also did not know what it meant, so I asked her to buy me a Spanish dictionary and that summer, I spent many days memorizing the entire dictionary. Years later I learned the language's grammar. And those doors -- who can forget those heavy wooden doors clad in cast iron adornments and handles fitting for a Medieval knight?

By the time I made it to the end of the line, my plate was always full. But the tacos and chalupas were waiting! No problem, of course. The chef knew to grab one of those tan plastic plates and start serving. Usually the tacos were waiting, made just minutes before by the ever-efficient taco man. I enjoyed watching the craftsman at work, so I would often order two chalupas, just so I could watch him or her, as it was normally a woman at that position, make my chalupas, which I got with beans, meat, cheese, lettuce, and tomatoes. They were superb, and quite the novelty, as no where else I had ever eaten served tacos on a flat shell.

The drink section was next. I without exception got a tap water in those cheap, yellow plastic cups that had a comforting ridged texture. Although Jefferson Parish’s tap water is not as good as N.O. Sewage & Water Board water, it is still excellent. Often times, especially when it was crowded, you had to stand at the drink line to wait for the usher to bring you to an open table. Once there, everyone knows what came next. An absolute festival of extravagant eating. Without realizing it, a basket of chips arrived, but did chips ever deserve to hold a spot in your belly when enchiladas and tamales were ready and able claimstakers?

Soon it would be time to raise the flag, a term so endearing to so many New Orleanians. It was for many, not only their first experience with Mexican food but also with all-you-can-eat style. The flag was your one way ticket on this wonderful trip to obesity, diabetes, and heart disease. And did it ever feel so wonderful when you raised it! The service was always exceptional. I can hardly remember an episode where the flag flew for more than a minute. I figured the manager threatened staff with banishment if he saw that our flag was still there.

Friends, as in Chalmette, Pancho’s in Metairie did not recover from the floods. I was told that Broussard’s pumping station fiasco caused about a foot of rainwater to fill that Pancho’s. Pancho’s national was already undergoing cuts and consolidation. Profits at this store were already being marginalized by people eating Mexican food elsewhere.
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Posted by TulaneLSU
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August 27, 2005 was the last open day for Pancho’s in the New Orleans Metro. I know that nostalgia convinced investors to open Pancho’s Super Buffet. When it opened on April 8, 2009 to VIP Pancho’s lovers only, it looked like it would be a huge success. The new location was where Old Metairie meets Airline, at 100 North Labarre, a location which had previously been Gaylord’s Pet Shop, and later a grand Accent Annex, where Uncle and Grandfather purchased some of their throws in the 1990s.

Pancho’s new digs and old recipes did not win over a new generation of diners. As much as the true fans of Pancho’s loved the food, even they would tell you that it was not the same. That cold and generic building did not give off the sense of place the Veterans location did. Even the costumed Pancho mascot could not make it work. I tried it just once, thinking, “This food tastes pretty close to my memory. The stews are great.” But I only went once because it did not turn the key to the lock in my heart’s nostalgia box. It closed in late 2011.



The dream was not dead. Two former Pancho’s workers believed a Pancho’s knockoff could work. Thus was born in 2013 2 Amigos on Williams Blvd., in the old Come Back Inn. I have been here just once, and can say that the food is remarkably close to the original. But again, its atmosphere lacks. It was a great loss to the Metro when 2 Amigos closed in 2021. Its closure was not surprising. Its clientele has either died or chosen higher forms of Mexican cuisine. And perhaps its atmosphere did not capture what it was in peoples’ memory. Part of the Pancho’s greatness, and why so many people hold it dear in their hearts, is that old, dark patio-like atmosphere. Yes, the food is part of it, but truly, it was the whole Pancho’s package that makes it so dear to us. Until that returns, and it likely never will, Pancho’s will continue only to live in our memories.

Unless you are willing to pilgrimage across the country for Pancho’s, and I am. Upon arriving in Humble, I jumped out of Mother’s Mercedes. Such joy and glee filled my body. Truly, it had been over 20 years, longer than TigerDroppings existence, since I last entered the gates of an authentic Pancho’s.













This entry was indeed a homecoming. It was unmistakably an authentic Pancho’s. The architecture, the shape, the decor, the smell, all of the appurtenances of an original Pancho’s was there. There was even an attached to-go area. The only thing missing was the pinatas lining the dining room.

Prices have increased ever slightly, but are still a bargain at $11.99 during the week. However, the menu has greatly expanded compared to what I remember. Sadly, though, they no longer offer chopped tomatoes alone at the end of the buffet line. Instead, tomatoes have been replaced by pico.





Joining the buffet line was like crouching into a canoe time machine and paddling through the waters of memory, each flash of the present a splash of memory. The hot plates, the workers wearing plastic gloves, the order of the menu items along the line.









One substantial difference between this Pancho’s and the Pancho’s of memory was the cashier at this Pancho’s was at the end of the buffet line ringing up customers as they do at Piccadilly. However, here they also receive payment. There is no grand exit any longer. The gatekeeper to the eating room now requires you to pay before entering. And when you do enter the dining area, there were, disappointingly, no servers there to help you carry your tray.

This was my first clue that the service might not be as swift as that for which Pancho’s was known. I found a nice table tucked far away from others. It was odd that the few patrons there were not wearing formal attire. I always dressed up for Pancho’s, and today was no exception. But I was the only one there wearing a suit.









Pancho’s has such a great collection of paintings that even if the food were not great, the small admission price would be well justified just by touring Pancho’s art. What is remarkable is that the paintings here are exactly the ones I remember from the Metairie location. Were these beautiful creations mass produced or did the chain divvy up Metairie’s bones after it closed? There was, however, no painting of a matador at this location. And there was even a repeat painting, so I assume these are limited number lithographs rather than original oil paintings. The portrait below details how I picture Owl's great, great grandfather. Handsome, steely, his mane is worth the effort of many artists.








For those who are easily tempted, please avert your eyes from the following painting. Although I considered editing the photo to show only her face, the historian in me refused to edit what is there. Let us quickly move forward to more inspiring objects.





If Pancho’s ever closes, it would be a privilege to take over ownership of any of these fine works of art. There is no room for doubt that these works will fetch a high price at auction. And I will be there if and when that day comes.
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Posted by TulaneLSU
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There are many new additions to the Pancho’s dining room food bar. At one time, all of Pancho’s food was along the buffet line, but over the years, they have expanded offerings of foods in the dining room. Some of the new foods there include several soups, chicharrones, a salsa bar, and a dessert bar, filled with Christmas Jello, cake, flan, and churros.







After eating 35 different items at one sitting, it is important that there be clean and open bathrooms. I can confirm that Pancho’s has not failed us in this regard. The toilet area was large and had a changing station. It was cleaner than a Bucee’s bathroom, and smelled better too. When I suggested to my server, a delightful 85 year old woman who moved slowly yet deliberately, that they put a sign above the bathroom door that read, like their exit sign, “Vaya con Dios,” she laughed. And I laughed too!



Her name was Ms. Gabriela, and she was a sweetheart. Though it took her ten minutes to come to my call when I raised the flag first, I told she need not apologize. “I am here for the entire experience, not just the food.” I then began to tell her my stories about Pancho’s. After five minutes, I offered her a seat at my otherwise empty table, but she said she was not allowed to sit with customers.



While I did not have time to share with her all my memories, I did share with her my updated Top 10 Pancho’s list, which she said she would share with the owner. I would like to share that list with you now.

TulaneLSU's Top 10 dishes at Pancho’s Mexican Buffet:

10. Chips and salsa



I do not think I ever tried the chips or salsa at the other Pancho’s, but I found them outstanding. If these were served in a trendy new Mexican restaurant, they would be hailed as excellent. Easy to overlook, they are better than any chips and salsa I have thus far had in Louisiana.


9. Taco



Much better than Taco Bell, they no longer offer just tomatoes as a topping, so it has dropped in my rankings.


8. Flauta





Faithful and reliable, this recipe has not changed. I ate four or five.


7. Pancho’s spicy coleslaw



One of the new items on the dining room food bar, the spicy cole slaw was acidic, crunchy, fresh, and hot. It went great as a topping on the tacos. And it was great as a stand alone salad.


6. Ranchero bean soup



Wow! This was like a flavorful and rich Senate bean soup from McGuire’s in Destin. A basic but entirely triumphant soup that would make a great meal on its own.


5. Chalupa



The chalupa was better than I remember. The tortilla shell was fresh and airy, crackery and with pockets of air. The fryer should get a raise.


4. Chile relleno





The recipe has not changed. How ever do they get such a yellow and puffy coating? The coating is a bit much for me, so I always remove half of it. The chile is filled with cheese, and this must carry Pancho’s highest cost to make.


3. Beef tamale



Another old standard, as a child I would usually ask the waitress to load my second plate with 12 beef tamales, one representing each of the disciples. Again, the recipe and ingredients used today are faithful to the original. Some criticize these for being dry, but I think they are excellent. Because husks slow me down, I have always preferred this non-husk tamale so as not to slow down my eating.


2. Sour cream enchilada



Until yesterday, I would have told anyone and everyone, even Ms. Gabriela, that the easy #1 at Pancho’s is the sour cream enchilada. While great, I found that some of the sour cream clumped, which detracted two points from my score. It is another classic whose taste and texture are the same today as they were in 1995.
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Posted by TulaneLSU
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1. Sopapillas with honey





My tooth has never been that sweet, so I am shocked to see that after all my calculations came in, the sopapillas have claimed the 2023 crown as the best food at Pancho’s. Perhaps it was because I had a lengthy discussion with Marie, who showed me how she made them, and then made a fresh batch just for me. Hot out the fryer, I poked a hole in the pouch and filled it with honey. Twice as good as the best beignet I have ever had, these sopapillas are iconic and are well deserving of the top spot this year.







As the sign above the exit says today, and as it did in all the Pancho’s, let us go out into the world today, going with God. Vaya con Dios!



Enchiladas, Tamales, and Sopapillas,
TulaneLSU

P.S. Uncle is a regular bidder at auctions around the world, but monthly at New Orleans Auction Galleries and Neal Auction Company. A few years ago, while I was with him, a lot of New Orleans ephemera made its way to the auction block. Glasses, menus, and bibelots from multiple now closed restaurants like La Louisiane, Brunings, Kolbs, La Riviera, Crozier's, and yes, Panchos.

Uncle did not have any interest in it, and there was a small bidding war between two small timers. The lot looked to be headed home at $250, even as I tugged on Uncle's sleeve to raise his hand.

Fed up with being ignored, impulsively I grabbed Uncle's paddle and raised the bid to 275. It was on. By the time the smoke cleared, the lot was mine with a hammer price of $850. The room erupted in uproarious applause, as I was quite dramatic and elegant in my bidding style.

Uncle was none too pleased, but I think he has come to accept it as a good deal, as he has given out many of those old menus to friends as gifts. While ten years ago these were not highly collectible items, today, they fetch a pretty penny on eBay.


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Posted by Northshoretiger87
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This is your allotment on posts for the day.
Posted by OTIS2
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There was a sit down, table service Ponchos in Memphis back in the ‘60’s and ‘70’s. We made annual trips there during the yearly Coondog Convention....great food and fantastic memories.
Posted by lsudat10
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Ok. We are more similar than I expected.
Posted by SuperNatural
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 7:58 am to
Tulane, this may be one of your finest works.
So many memories at Panchos.
Posted by LaPride55
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 7:59 am to
I wish we still had one in La.
Posted by The Boat
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I always thought it was interesting how you never saw any road kill in front of Panchos.
Posted by TejasHorn
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There are a couple of old Pancho’s still operating in DFW. It’s like stepping back 40 years for those who grew up with it. A free time machine as it were.

The flautas with cheese sauce and crispy tacos are still as legit as 1979. Tamales are solid. Never cared for their enchiladas or spongy rellenos.
Posted by BayouBandit24
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Raising the flag at Panchos was a highlight of childhood
Posted by geauxtigers87
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If still cracks me up the Chalmette location is a funeral home now. Fed em and now they bury em
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Posted by GT3324
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Worked with a guy who went every Friday. After numerous flag raising, he would bite the ends off of a basket of sopaipilla’s, and fill with honey, convinced eating so much honey would make him immune from bee stings.
Posted by t00f
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with the abundant amount of vastly superior Tex-Mex in Houston, you should visit one to cleanse your palate.
Posted by Legion of Doom
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GOAT poster always delivers. The fact that those bathrooms were cleaner than Buc-ees is a testament to the type of quality establishment that Pancho’s was!
Posted by Macfly
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Great info. I remember the places on Gravier and in BR.
Posted by BigBinBR
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quote:

To its western side was a game room with a crane and claw game. It was owned by Lucky Coin Co. if I recall correctly, and I never once inserted a dime. They were and are after me, you know.


What is this about? Were you using slugs in their games and got caught?
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