re: Christie Says Transgender Procedures on Minors Should Be Allowed If Parents Consent

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I read that you support chopping off innocent kids breasts and peens

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Show me where I have EVER said that. To the contrary, I have ALWAYS said the opposite.

You are utterly delusional.

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claim that the "experts” are in full agreement with you.

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It is almost like you cannot read Standard American English. I said that "experts" are near-unanimous that reassignment surgery is one viable treatment for a recognized medical condition. Of COURSE there is disagreement as to WHEN such surgery is appropriate ... both as to age AND as to identifying viable candidates.

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That is abuse and should be outlawed.

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Tell us what you think outlawed means, exactly.

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And they use that power against their political enemies. I don't want to give them more power.

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I didn’t state that they should have more power. I stated that they should do their jobs. Mutilation of children for “gender affirming care” is actually new age eugenics. Again, this “expert” Doctor would approve:

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the data shows that puberty blockers ... doesn’t impact their lives positively.

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Really? Can you link us to this data? Because I have seen quite the opposite.

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(R)esearch ... shows that gender-affirming hormones and puberty blockers have a beneficial impact on depression and suicide risk in transgender and nonbinary youth.

The study followed 104 transgender and nonbinary youth, ages 13 to 20, over the span of twelve months as they received care at the Seattle Children’s Gender Clinic. Those who received gender-affirming hormones or puberty blockers had 60% lower odds of depression and 73% lower odds of self-harm or suicidal thoughts.

“Our study adds to a robust evidence base that access to gender-affirming care is critical for ensuring the well-being of transgender and nonbinary young people,” said Diana Tordoff, a PhD candidate with the University of Washington Department of Epidemiology.

Previous research indicates that transgender and nonbinary youth experience disproportionate rates of poor mental health, such as depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation and attempts due to societal stigma, discrimination, and family rejection. Although the new study suggests that puberty blockers or hormones can alleviate risks of depression and suicidality in this population, a correlation was not found between gender-affirming medication and anxiety.

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"experts" are near-unanimous that reassignment surgery is one viable treatment for a recognized medical condition.

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This is simply untrue.

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Repeatedly saying the same personal opinion ad nauseum is NOT a valid substitute for citing substantive authority, data, studies, surveys and the like.

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Of COURSE there is disagreement as to WHEN such surgery is appropriate ... both as to age AND as to identifying viable candidates.

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Yes, 18 of older is the only acceptable option imho. What is YOUR opinion on age?

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AGAIN (fourth time in this thread?), I think it is entirely reasonable to preclude surgery until the legal age of consent.

Medical treatments such as puberty blockers are a different issue, because they are "less irreversible" ... if that terminology makes sense. "Partially reversible?"

Anyway, that sort of MEDICAL treatment (as opposed to surgical treatment) should probably be allowed somewhat earlier, with parental consent. Why? Because it leads to more-realistic results if the individual later pursues a full surgical transition, while simultaneously being "more reversible" if the individual changes his/her mind after reaching the age of majority.

Again, it seems a reasonable compromise between competing and inconsistent ideological concepts.

Leftists in America are influencing the medical establishment (just look at Covid protocols…WEAR YOUR MASK!!!).

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Their opponents argue that any doubts at all about the protocol, raised in any country whatsoever, are simply out of step with settled science: They point to broad endorsements by the American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, and the American Academy of Pediatrics, among other groups; and they assert that when it comes to the lifesaving nature of gender-affirming care, “doctors agree.”

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America is not in step with actual research based evidence:

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But doctors do not agree, particularly in Europe, where no treatments have been banned but a genuine debate is unfurling in this field.
In Finland, for example, new treatment guidelines put out in 2020 advised against the use of puberty-blocking drugs and other medical interventions as a first line of care for teens with adolescent-onset dysphoria. Sweden’s National Board of Health and Welfare followed suit in 2022, announcing that such treatments should be given only under exceptional circumstances or in a research context. Shortly after that, the National Academy of Medicine in France recommended la plus grande réserve in the use of puberty blockers. Just last month, a national investigatory board in Norway expressed concerns about the treatment. And the U.K.’s only national gender clinic for children, the Tavistock, has been ordered to close its doors after a government-commissioned report found, among other problems, that its Dutch-protocol-based approach to treatment lacked sufficient evidence.

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From the left leaning “Atlantic”

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In Finland, for example, new treatment guidelines put out in 2020 advised against the use of puberty-blocking drugs and other medical interventions as a first line of care for teens with adolescent-onset dysphoria

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YES.

I have said DOZENS of times on this forum that we are too quick to turn to PHYSICAL transition as the default treatment ... regardless of whether we are discussing adults of children. Non-medical and non-surgical treatments SHOULD always be the first line of attack. How many damned times have I cited Dr. Debra Soh here? A hundred?

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something like ... ear piercings that are still illegal to administer to minors.

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Not an argument I have seen before. What states prohibit minors from getting ear piercings with parental consent?

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Previous research indicates that transgender and nonbinary youth experience disproportionate rates of poor mental health, such as depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation and attempts due to societal stigma, discrimination, and family rejection.

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Right, because this stuff never happens to straight or gay people.

Oh, and you selectively emboldened the wrong part. You should have emboldened what I did below:

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Although the new study suggests that puberty blockers or hormones can alleviate risks of depression and suicidality in this population,



a correlation was not found between gender-affirming medication and anxiety.

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Christie is showing he’s nothing more than a fat Northeast moderate Democrat. He’s only running now to bolster his future contracts with companies since he can say he went after Trump. He’s a backstabbing piece of fat shite.