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re: SEC’s best returning QB

Posted on 6/8/23 at 9:17 pm to
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
15720 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 9:17 pm to
I want to believe.

We didn’t really believe in the 2018 to 2019 Burrow until we saw it. But Burrow told us.

Hoping we can see some JD5 magic this fall
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6--Brazos River Backwater
Member since Sep 2015
26330 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 9:44 pm to
quote:

Big dropoff to the next best

But...but...Garrett Nussmeier?
Posted by tygerphan
Georgia
Member since Oct 2009
3258 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:14 pm to
quote:

defenses made adjustments after the Alabama game


He had 200+ yds passing in the 1st half of the SECCG.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
24276 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:24 pm to
quote:

defenses made adjustments after the Alabama game



He had 200+ yds passing in the 1st half of the SECCG.

Yeah, he played great against their D in the 1st half even with the injury.

He killed UAB's D, still put up like 270+ total yards against aTm's D and handled the Purdue D easily after Bama. The only really bad game he had after Bama was at Arkansas when he had the flu in miserable weather. And that was after an extremely emotional and physical game with the W against Bama.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 12:13 am to
Damn Barrett Sallee picked us to win the West this week too. Not sure I like all this
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
3952 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 12:31 am to
quote:

not a deep field of returning QBs

The question is… where does he rank out of SEC QBs full stop. He might wind up at #1 there too, and if he doesn’t anyone in front of him will have a small gap lead.

You go to the other side of the ball & there’s Matt House. And just LOOK at our defensive personnel, my god lmao… O-line brings back a pair of generational freshmen from last year & adds depth.

10+ win team, contenders. This is the most confident I’ve felt preseason in a hot minute.

The only possible weaknesses they have are:
1. if we catch multiple overlapping injuries in the secondary at a bad time
2. if somehow no one emerges from the RB room or we lose the best backs to injuries

That’s a short list of conditional problems & a damn good spot to be sitting.
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 12:35 am
Posted by jawnybnsc
Greer, SC
Member since Dec 2016
4978 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 6:35 am to
A one read QB? Where are you getting that from?
Posted by MLCLyons
Member since Nov 2012
4710 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:25 am to
quote:

I would say yes but defenses made adjustments after the Alabama game. I really hope he proves me wrong but as of now he is a one read QB and has a lot to prove before I give him a ranking that high in the SEC



There were 3 games after Alabama, one of them he was hurt and another he was fantastic.
Posted by scottiemac
Anytown, LA
Member since Oct 2016
193 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:46 am to
Why don’t you just say what you really mean?
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28470 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:52 am to
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McElroy makes it seem as if Daniels was bad against FSU. Uh.. He completed over 70% of his passes for 209 yards 2tds, 0ints, rushed for over 100 yards on 7ypc. Dude battled drops and an inept offensive line with no time to throw - he was sacked 4 times and hurried a bunch more. He single handidly had us in that game from an offensive perspective. The article says his numbers were boosted by 2 late tds.... yeah 2 late tds in a comeback that should have gotten us to overtime. Not exactly garbage time tds.


I thought the best Daniels played all season was in the 4th quarter vs. FSU. He didn't have time or the opportunity to be conservative with his decision making. He had to be decisive and react quickly...and he was...leading LSU to an improbable comeback. Including orchestrating one of the best do-or-die drives in years which, unfortunately, gets forgotten because of LSU's awful special teams.

From that point on Daniels was a bit of a roller coaster in terms of play. There were moments where he looked like the most dynamic QB in the SEC. Quickly followed by moments where he was indecisive and refused to make throws to open guys downfield.

The tools are there. He's not just a "running QB", but he has the ability to be the best runner from the QB position LSU has maybe ever had. That is a big advantage if he can complement it with a more consistent passing game. Hopefully after a year at LSU he is more comfortable and the coaching staff if more comfortable with him, which will allow them to tailor the offense to better fit his strengths.

I think if you are going to camp Daniels out in the pocket and force him to read through long developing routes LSU is probably going to get the same results as last season. That's not bad by any means. But it's probably not fulling utilizing his strengths. If the OC can give more quick developing plays, I think you will see Daniels start to thrive in the passing game.

You saw that with Burrow in 2018 and 2019. In Ensminger's antiquated 2018 offense Burrow was a decent SEC QB, but not dynamic. He probably would have been the same in 2019 if LSU had not completely changed their offensive approach. But the 2019 fit Burrow's savvy and quick decision making. The formations gave him the pre-snap matchup advantages he could quickly recognize and exploit. Same QB. Just one offensive approach better suited to fit him.

That is Denbrock's charge this year. Don't run an offense that best fits you (the OC). Run an offense that best fits your QB because, ultimately, HE is the one that has to orchestrate it on the field. The approach/playcalling you take with Daniels is probably not the same approach you would take with a guy like Nuss. And that is fine. Average/bad OC's run their offense regardless of the personnel. Great OC's tailor their offense to fit their personnel.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46626 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 11:35 am to
quote:

TigerFanPA
McElroy makes it seem as if Daniels was bad against FSU. Uh.. He completed over 70% of his passes for 209 yards 2tds


Like 90 of his passing yards came on the last 2 possessions. For the vast majority of the game our passing attack was non existent
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 11:41 am
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46626 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 11:38 am to
He didn't play well against a&m. A huge chunk of his yards came when the game was already decided. From the start of the second half to 3 minutes left in the game he had given up as many points as he had scored.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46626 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 11:40 am to
quote:

The tools are there. He's not just a "running QB", but he has the ability to be the best runner from the QB position LSU has maybe ever had


He is already the best running qb lsu has ever had. If he can just start trusting what he sees and his wrs to make plays for him then the sky is the limit. He is in NO WAY a bad qb like some on here think but he has to start making teams pay for keeping their eyes in the backfield for his running.
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
18360 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 11:43 am to
Been a while sans 2019 that LSU has had a better QB room than the rest of the SEC.
Posted by Sponge
Member since Nov 2018
3780 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 11:45 am to
quote:


Again the only people that don’t believe Jayden Daniels is a good QB

I think most of the complaints are mainly about consistency.

To compare what he did against Auburn, Arkansas, and a&m vs ole miss, UF, and bama you would swear these were two different QBs.
Posted by wesman21
Youngsville
Member since Jun 2009
2926 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 12:04 pm to
Best non baseball thing I've seen today regarding LSU. Great takes and totally true and accurate.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35469 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 12:07 pm to
Daniels may be one of the best but basing it on how he looked against Purdue is a pretty weak argument.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
12027 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

Again the only people that don’t believe Jayden Daniels is a good QB is a certain portion of the LSU fanbase.



Was he even the best LSU Quarterback, in the SEC Championship game vs Georgia?
Posted by SMD
Member since Sep 2010
5538 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 12:36 pm to
quote:

Again the only people that don’t believe Jayden Daniels is a good QB is a certain portion of the LSU fanbase.


Always a victim. Lmao
Posted by searcyagent
Little Rock
Member since Sep 2015
146 posts
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:22 pm to
McElroy gets on my nerves, but I'm going to concur with his assessment. He's returning from year 1 with a new system. He's got a SEC West title under his belt, he's put on some weight, and he returns his offensive line. Tigers offense looks to be in great shape. Good luck to Daniels and the Tigers!
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