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re: China now claiming they have ability to demolish US aircraft carriers
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:04 am to narddogg81
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:04 am to narddogg81
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it's not the cost of the incoming missile you have to calculate, it's the cost of what it was going to blow up. Also hypersonic missiles cost a lot more than that per missile, like $50 million per
The point is every modern potential enemy produces exponentially more missiles than can be shot down. The purpose of all of these anti-missile defense systems is to create an illusion of safety for us while spending billions of dollars, not to present any real defense.
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:04 am to 94LSU
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94LSU
Taiwan is part of China and the US does not support Taiwan independence. That is official US policy.
bullshite. We supply them with weapons and are in the early stages of a free trade deal. You don't work deals and provide weapons to non-countries. We wink and grin and pretend that we believe Taiwan to be part of China to avoid confrontation with the PRC, but it isn't.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:06 am to Tantal
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The U.S., Australia, Japan, India, U.K., Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore, and Vietnam are all capable.
Yea, no. How exactly are you proposing something like that would be accomplished? Parking a Carrier Strike Group in the middle of a one-mile-wide strait? The PLAN would love for us to do that.
None of those ASEAN nations are anywhere near capable of confronting the PLAN.
And besides, closing off Malacca and the other straits would decimate the world economy, and also cause serious pain to South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, etc.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:09 am to Timeoday
The only problem with that scenario is that China knows as soon as a launch occurs.
If we launch, our missles would never be capable of striking before they could retaliate.
If we launch, our missles would never be capable of striking before they could retaliate.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:12 am to Tantal
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Bull shite.
It is OFFICIAL US POLICY and has been since 1980. Every administration since then has affirmed it.
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We do not support Taiwan independence.
LINK /
It does not get any clearer than that. I'm sorry if you feel misled. It shouldn't be the first time.
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 11:13 am
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:12 am to 94LSU
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Because you live in a fantasy-land and this is serious business. 1995 was a long time ago.
You’re right, it is serious business. The reality is that the US has the best, strongest, and most advanced military in the world, and it’s not even close. Currently, the Chinese and Russians may have the belief that the US superpower can be defeated, but politics is clouding their judgement, especially the Russians judgement, and if they get too brave then they won’t have a country anymore.
It’s also clouding many of your guys perception on the US military, because of politics. Military is separate from government, and it would take many years to ruin our military’s strength. It doesn’t happen in just 2 years. Now you do have an argument for the military branch being too strong, and influencing our government too much. But when it comes to the capabilities of our military, no one stands a chance. That’s why our influence is all across the globe, is because of our strength. Chinese can barely have a military influence in Asia, more less the world. That’s not a military who has the capability to defeat the greatest military power that’s ever roamed this earth.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:12 am to crazy4lsu
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I need something more tangible than that. Like actual evidence.
“Evidence,” as it relates to Ukraine and Russia, seems to be a relative term.
Also, using “debunked” in relation to this war seems unwise. Debunked by whom? What is their position? Who supports them? Etc.
I will believe nothing coming from either side.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:16 am to Indefatigable
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How exactly are you proposing something like that would be accomplished?
Well, one way is insurance. Every ship that sails has to have an insurance policy. The only way this could work for the Chinese is to sail only Chinese-flagged ships to the Gulf with the PRC providing the insurance.
Back in the 80's Iran almost brought the entire shipping industry to its knees and nearly collapsed the entire insurance industry by sinking a handful of ships.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:17 am to 94LSU
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OFFICIAL US POLICY
You're joking, right?
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:18 am to Timeoday
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Really. For a computer simulation to be that precise, the Chinese would have to have intimate knowledge of the carrier’s defense capabilities.
I’m sure they do. We’ve naively let them infiltrate our institutions unchecked, while law enforcement is more focused on arresting school board protestors and a flag waiving granny at the Capitol.
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 11:20 am
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:20 am to jimmy the leg
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“Evidence,” as it relates to Ukraine and Russia, seems to be a relative term.
But there was open-source images posted that were analyzed by several different professionals, with the preponderance of evidence showing that they were very likely Kinzhal missiles. In addition, we have Gen. Ryder's claim on March 9th, as well as Russia's arrest of several scientists associated with the hypersonic missile program. Since you probably don't want to do the work to confirm my words, let's say they are accurate. What does the preponderance of evidence suggest about the situation overall?
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Also, using “debunked” in relation to this war seems unwise. Debunked by whom? What is their position? Who supports them? Etc.
Ryan McBeth did a good video on this. But this retreat from the ability to make conclusions based on evidence is idiotic. You can absolutely make conclusions based on the evidence on hand while continuing to remain open-minded about what other evidence is offered at any point in the future.
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I will believe nothing coming from either side.
Retreating to this position is just solipsism. You certainly don't have to take a side to judge evidence.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:26 am to crazy4lsu
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But there was open-source images posted that were analyzed by several different professionals, with the preponderance of evidence showing that they were very likely Kinzhal missiles.
Again, I don’t believe this.
Mass production of “evidence” by “professionals” doesn’t move the needle for me.
Do you even Covid bro?
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:28 am to Tantal
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You're joking, right?
The link I posted - twice - is the US Department of State's own web site. No, I'm not joking. It is in fact official US policy and has been for 40+ years.
Here's a third: LINK /
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We do not support Taiwan independence.
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 11:30 am
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:29 am to Lakeboy7
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Man we cant get anything by the PT mafia. You guys are smart AF. Jim the "AF" is what the youngsters type out instead "as frick".
Cool.
Back to the question that you have continually dodged.
Did you serve in an active duty position in the United States military?
Follow up questions if you answer yes:
With whom?
How long?
Combat?
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:29 am to jimmy the leg
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Again, I don’t believe this.
Dismissing it out of hand without even looking at the evidence is silly.
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Mass production of “evidence” by “professionals” doesn’t move the needle for me.
What? Mass production? What are you talking about?
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Do you even Covid bro?
Lol, don't let your brain be broken forever by that. You can retain a consistent epistemic worldview that isn't dependent on the failures of that process. You likely do it in your daily life quite a bit.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:30 am to Timeoday
They may be right. Aircraft carriers will be obsolete like battleships soon. At some point, naval strategy will have to move away from large ships manned by 4,000 man crews.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:32 am to Timeoday
All the US has to do is shut down the Straight of Malacca and China would effectively have a stroke.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:32 am to crazy4lsu
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But this retreat from the ability to make conclusions based on evidence is idiotic. You can absolutely make conclusions based on the evidence on hand while continuing to remain open-minded about what other evidence is offered at any point in the future.
And if that “evidence” is manufactured?
Then what?
You just blindly trust them?
I’ll pass on that option.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:33 am to Timeoday
Not to mention the spy balloon was so 1920's
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:35 am to jimmy the leg
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And if that “evidence” is manufactured?
You don't even know what I'm referring to. If you did, you'd realize how silly this is.
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Then what?
What if I'm right and you are wrong?
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You just blindly trust them?
Clearly not, given I just went through a process of getting viewpoints from several sources, each of which had slightly different interpretations, which I then combined with other events to form a conclusion.
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I’ll pass on that option.
Again, you're better than retreating to solipsism.
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