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re: Carbon-14 dating shows only 12% of atmospheric CO2 added since 1750 is manmade

Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:07 am to
Posted by UFFan
Planet earth, Milky Way Galaxy
Member since Aug 2016
1946 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:07 am to
Wouldn’t eating cows be the best way to reduce the world’s cow population? I’ve never understood why the people who complain about cow farts also complain about us killing and eating cows.
This post was edited on 5/29/23 at 10:08 am
Posted by UFFan
Planet earth, Milky Way Galaxy
Member since Aug 2016
1946 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:10 am to
The climate change cult almost never talks about deforestation. You’re conflating the present day climate cult with the environmentalists from Richard Nixon’s time.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118979 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:13 am to
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You don't believe the planet has been going through a warming?


It all depends on your starting point.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28711 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 11:07 am to
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Wouldn’t eating cows be the best way to reduce the world’s cow population? I’ve never understood why the people who complain about cow farts also complain about us killing and eating cows.

Well dumbass, this would be the case if we were just hunting wild naturally-occurring cows, but that's not what we do. We breed and feed and medicate and everything else required to produce as much beef as we demand.

So try to understand how fricking simple-minded you have to be to make the comment you did, and then ask yourself if you are right about anything ever.

And I don't have a problem whatsoever with beef, I eat it damn near every day of my life. I also don't have a problem with using fossil fuels, I use those every day of my life too. I just think it's wise to use as little as possible, same goes for all our resources.
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
11304 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 11:42 am to
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because they agree with you


I mean, you can agree with the OPs General take and still think that “study” is poorly constructed

Heck, you can disagree with the ones in the comments while acknowledging they meet higher standards.

Needing to defend even junk on one’s own side isn’t particularly productive
Posted by Team Vote
DFW
Member since Aug 2014
7732 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 12:41 pm to
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the details are far beyond the scope of my knowledge

Probably not saying much
Posted by STATigerFan
St. Amant, LA
Member since Sep 2019
123 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 1:04 pm to
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So a little bit of context to your facts, you forgot to mention that the rate of change in CO2 levels and global temperatures in modern times is on the order of 1,000 times faster than throughout the planet's history.


That’s not really true. You’re talking about 1.1 degrees C in almost 200 years and the Younger Dryas warming was much faster than that.

From Britanica.com: A second abrupt climatic warming event, approximately 11,600 years ago, marked the end of the Younger Dryas and the beginning of the Holocene Epoch (11,700 years ago to the present) and Earth’s modern climate. There is evidence that this warming was quite rapid; Greenland ice-core samples suggest that local temperatures increased by up to 10 °C (18 °F) in just a few decades.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27150 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 1:08 pm to
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Probably not saying much


Posted by Bullfrog
Institutionalized but Unevaluated
Member since Jul 2010
56391 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 1:12 pm to
CO2 is life.

If you want an example, look up at the moon. It’s carbon neutral.

Two look backs by different researchers:

CO2 is not a man-made issue.



This post was edited on 5/29/23 at 1:16 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118979 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 1:24 pm to
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A more detailed description of the chart for the physics aficionados is provided here by Dr. William Happer:

“The blue curve shows how the thermal radiation flux Z(C) from Earth to space changes with the concentration C of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere. This example is for a temperate, summertime latitude. C is measured in parts per million (ppm) of all atmospheric molecules. At the current value of the CO2 concentration, about C = 400 ppm, the flux is Z(400 ppm) = 277 Watts per square meter (W/m^2). If all the CO2 could be removed from Earth’s atmosphere, so C = 0, but there were no changes in the concentrations of the remaining greenhouse gases (water vapor, ozone, methane and nitrous oxide) and no changes in the atmospheric temperature profile, the flux would be larger, Z(0 ppm)= 307 Watts (W/m^2), shown by the blue dot on the vertical axis of the graph. Adding the greenhouse gas CO2 diminishes the flux to space, very rapidly for the first few parts per million of CO2, as one can see from the blue curve. But as more CO2 is added a law of diminishing returns comes into play. The blue curve is almost flat for current concentrations of CO2, so the greenhouse effect is very insensitive to changes in CO2 concentrations. In the jargon of radiative transfer the greenhouse effect is said to be “saturated.”




Bottom line, the addition of CO2 at the point of 400 ppm where we are currently will have very little impact on the atmosphere's ability to radiate energy back into space.
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
1784 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 1:39 pm to
I’m curious about this. What is going on in the Amazon? I didn’t realize there was a lot of urbanization and development going on there.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
17493 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 2:41 pm to
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There is nothing in there that substantiates this statement. That’s where the spin starts, and that’s how you recognize propaganda.



Oh this is so rich coming from….

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Penrod


Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
12988 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 2:45 pm to
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You don’t honestly believe the mainstream media will report on anything that doesn’t align with the Democrat Party propaganda narrative do you?
in some counties, almost this one, being a climate change denier is actually illegal.

Any news outlet publishing such runs the risk of running afoul of the law no matter where it was initially published in those countries. Our State Dept would not hesitate to assist a foreign legal system if it served the gods of climate change or abortion.
This post was edited on 5/29/23 at 2:47 pm
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18681 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 2:52 pm to
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align with the Democrat Party propaganda


I know AGW skeptics that are Democrats and Republicans that aren’t. This is really more of how hot button issues are presented according to the news network that is most likely to align with your confirmation bias.
Posted by PassingThrough
Member since Sep 2021
2622 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 2:55 pm to
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I’m curious about this. What is going on in the Amazon? I didn’t realize there was a lot of urbanization and development going on there.


Nature article

It is not for urbanization, but mostly for cattle farming- so hitting a daily double, though this is at least better than feedlots as far as methane production is concerned.

There has always been so much evil and corruption associated with the discovery and then the exploitation of this area. If you really want to know how damn awful humanity can be, just do some reading on the history of Amazonia. It can get nauseating pretty quickly.

There is also a pretty good read, The Prophet and the Wizard, about the history of environmentalism and how it has entered into the cultural conscious, but also how humanity deals with the problems.

I find it funny when people seem to think this is a win vs lose contest with Nature. We are all a part of Nature, and Nature is going to nature. All we can do is manipulate how long we can sustain the current societal norms. Maybe we can; maybe we can't. Maybe a massive supervolcano or asteroid wipes us out regardless.
This post was edited on 5/29/23 at 3:10 pm
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39606 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 3:00 pm to
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Oh this is so rich coming from….

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Penrod

Again, no substance
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35463 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 3:04 pm to
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Dr. William Happer
Do you have a link to all the climate denying bs artists out there?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28711 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 4:52 pm to
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That’s not really true.

It is.
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You’re talking about 1.1 degrees C in almost 200 years and the Younger Dryas warming was much faster than that.

The Younger Dryas was regional.
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From Britanica.com: A second abrupt climatic warming event, approximately 11,600 years ago, marked the end of the Younger Dryas and the beginning of the Holocene Epoch (11,700 years ago to the present) and Earth’s modern climate. There is evidence that this warming was quite rapid; Greenland ice-core samples suggest that local temperatures increased by up to 10 °C (18 °F) in just a few decades.

Try again.
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
1784 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 4:52 pm to
What are your thoughts on wetlands as methane emitters? As detestable as cattle?
This post was edited on 5/29/23 at 4:53 pm
Posted by exiledhogfan
Missouri
Member since Jul 2021
1250 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 5:29 pm to
I notice nowhere does this outfit claim to be peer-reviewed.

In other words, they'll publish any nonsense someone submits.

LINK
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