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re: Livingston Parish 1% tax for teacher raises fails to pass
Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:31 pm to Hangit
Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:31 pm to Hangit
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Wouldn't they also get SS, Medicare, etc., from wherever they work when they are not teaching?
Wherever they work when they are not teaching? I don't think I understand.
There is a lot of misinformation on this board. Everyone thinks that teachers put in 8 hours, Monday through Friday, and get 3 months of summer off. This is absurd.
Teachers "teach" Monday through Friday during school hours. Then, they spend the evenings, and yes, even weekends, "working"..... grading, building lessons, communicating with parents, and running school clubs, sports, etc.
The summer is 2 months long nowadays, not 3. Again, teachers are tasked with club activites, extracurriculars and even building curriculum for the upcoming year. They also use this time to complete all the standard government bull shite such as "professional development" classes and other trainings. This stuff is done when they are "off" during the summer.
So, I'm confused by your question when you ask if they would get SS from "wherever they work when they are not teaching?" What does that mean?
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Or SS and whatever other pensions they earned?
No. Teachers that pay into the TRSLA pension plan do NOT get SS.
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Posted on 3/30/23 at 11:43 pm to Gee Grenouille
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Bro they’re home by 330 every day
Geeez. No they're not.
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and work 38 weeks a year.
Incorrect once again.
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They’ve got good benefits
Please list these for me. When they reach retirement eligibility in the LP, they earn 57k/year. I hope you don't think they go home with that, do you? They get to go home with 75% of 57k after 30 years of service.
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and can retire at 52
Not sure where this number came from...? There is not "retirement age." Teachers earn 2.5%/year of their annual salary toward their retirement and in order to retire without taking a substantial penalty, MUST work 30 years. That's 75% of their salary they go home with as a pension.
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Plus they chose their profession
What does this mean? In the private sector, people "choose" their professions. They also negotiate their salaries and can simply walk into their boss man's office and ask for a pay increase. If they don't get what they are looking for, they can take their services across the street.
Are you saying that because a teacher "chose" to be a teacher, they should not look to improve their take home pay? How does this make sense in your world?
Everything is going up right now, but teacher pay remains the same.
The situation is this; a single parent (teacher) with 2 kids in LP, cannot afford to LIVE in the parish in which they teach. Don't you think that's a bit silly?
Posted on 3/31/23 at 12:51 am to OneAyedJack
quote:No. They can choose to teach elsewhere. We all can do as much. You don't like your situation, move to a situation you find more palatable.
The situation is this; a single parent (teacher) with 2 kids in LP, cannot afford to LIVE in the parish in which they teach. Don't you think that's a bit silly?
This post was edited on 3/31/23 at 12:51 am
Posted on 3/31/23 at 1:31 am to OneAyedJack
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The situation is this; a single parent (teacher) with 2 kids in LP, cannot afford to LIVE in the parish in which they teach. Don't you think that's a bit silly?
Overall you made some good points, except this one.
Not affording to live (comfortably), is caused by being a single parent of 2 kids. Not unique to the teaching profession.
That said, I have no issues with teachers earning a higher salary. I'd hope it would attract more quality teachers to the profession and give more leverage for administrators to can the shitty ones.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:39 am to OneAyedJack
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What does this mean? In the private sector, people "choose" their professions. They also negotiate their salaries and can simply walk into their boss man's office and ask for a pay increase. If they don't get what they are looking for, they can take their services across the street.
And if the boss man says no, and the employee throws a fit and starts doing stupid shite like sick outs and not giving it their best, they can be shown the door
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:58 am to Tigerpaw123
And I don’t think most people really have a problem with raises being issued because of merit and performance, but we do have a problem when we look at government spending of our tax dollars as a whole and see such waste (across the board and not limited to education, but we are tired of our tax dollars being wasted), instead of coming to the public and asking for more of our money , look elsewhere, see where money is not being wisely spent and make adjustments. Give raises based on merit, not across the board, I am sure those good and great teachers are pissed when an across the board raise comes out and they see the crappy teachers getting the same? Reward those teachers who go the extra mile and participate in extracurricular activities, and whose students perform well, but don’t reward those teachers who give coloring sheets to seventh graders, who stop teaching the day after LEAP testing and watch movies and just start babysitting for the rest of the year , no longer tolerate “school officially goes till the end of the month, but we are not taking roll and your kids will not be penalized by not being here, so please don’t send them”
Posted on 3/31/23 at 5:25 am to BeepNode
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So all they have to do is teach for another 3 months and they double their salary? Math is not your strong suit.
No stupid arse, they can choose another profession that pays more. But in doing so, they’d have to give up the things that likely are the reason they chose education to begin with. They’d also lose the security their position as a teacher provides.
The trouble is, you want the same pay as other jobs offer, but you don’t want to have to do those jobs. It doesn’t work like that.
Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 5:57 am to TexasTiger08
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Louisiana is among the worst in public education. The state’s economy is so fricked up that a 1% tax for a raise is where the line is drawn? Geez.
We have some of the highest taxed localities in the country and absolute shite to show for it.
You are right in that Louisiana is fricked but not in the manner you think.
If this proposal would have bumped sales tax from 4% to 5% it probably passes but because everyone has their hand in the corrupt government cookie jar at some point the people say enough.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 6:57 am to Antonio Moss
Teachees are some miserable people. Sorry but there are plenty of people who work way more hours everyday without government backed rerirements. Teachers retirement is a bunch of unfunded liability on tax payers. As more retire and live longer that number grows to where school systems have to beg for money.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 7:13 am to OneAyedJack
22 plus 30 is 52.
Medical, dental, paid time off
Wife’s a teacher, does car duty, home by 330
48k a year is 4 grand a month, plus 1k a month for dem kids in child support. So should be clearing 4k a month.
You’re still just dismissing that they work 190 days a year, minus their paid time off. Ur average baw with four weeks vacation is doing 240 days and he ain’t retiring with a guaranteed check at 52, so go ahead and tac on another 13 years.
Nobody hates it more than me that these gals wanted to be teachers but they knew it sucked.
Medical, dental, paid time off
Wife’s a teacher, does car duty, home by 330
48k a year is 4 grand a month, plus 1k a month for dem kids in child support. So should be clearing 4k a month.
You’re still just dismissing that they work 190 days a year, minus their paid time off. Ur average baw with four weeks vacation is doing 240 days and he ain’t retiring with a guaranteed check at 52, so go ahead and tac on another 13 years.
Nobody hates it more than me that these gals wanted to be teachers but they knew it sucked.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 7:40 am to Gee Grenouille
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22 plus 30 is 52.
Yeah my sister in law (sorry no pics) is a teacher and can retire at 52 or 53. She's not simply because my brother can't retire until he is around 57 (both are about the same age).
Posted on 3/31/23 at 7:56 am to OneAyedJack
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Wherever they work when they are not teaching? I don't think I understand.
When they are off from teaching, many work side gigs, earning their quarters to get SS eligible.
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So, I'm confused by your question when you ask if they would get SS from "wherever they work when they are not teaching?" What does that mean?
It simply means wherever else they work to supplement their income, and earn SS quarters, when they are not teaching. Is it that fricking hard to understand?
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Teachers that pay into the TRSLA pension plan do NOT get SS.
They do if they earn it at side gigs. Both of my grandmothers were teachers. One earned SS after she retired from teaching. One earned it during.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 8:45 am to toosleaux
These are the 2 biggest issues as I see them and it think it's true for every school system.
1. Spending. There's a spending problem not a revenue (tax) problem. Voters know this and will keep voting down all new taxes especially in a bad economy. It looks like LP spends ~ 9800 per child and has an average classroom size of 25. That's 245k per classroom less the teacher salary and pension obligation (that's underfunded). Where is all the money going? There's plenty of money to pay teachers.
2. Bad management. School budgets are in the half billion range now. Being a former PE coach and principle are not qualifications to run a business that large. This is true for the school boards that are heavily weighted with former teachers. School systems are not run to the bottom line but how "we' feel about things. The administrative roles should be loaded with business acumen from the private sector.
1. Spending. There's a spending problem not a revenue (tax) problem. Voters know this and will keep voting down all new taxes especially in a bad economy. It looks like LP spends ~ 9800 per child and has an average classroom size of 25. That's 245k per classroom less the teacher salary and pension obligation (that's underfunded). Where is all the money going? There's plenty of money to pay teachers.
2. Bad management. School budgets are in the half billion range now. Being a former PE coach and principle are not qualifications to run a business that large. This is true for the school boards that are heavily weighted with former teachers. School systems are not run to the bottom line but how "we' feel about things. The administrative roles should be loaded with business acumen from the private sector.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 8:55 am to secondandshort
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Bruh, the sheriffs office and school board are completely separate and do not impact one another. It is a sad day for Livingston schools. Before long they’ll be joining EBR and Tangi in school scores!
It’s a sad day you need to raise taxes on people because the government refuses to stay within a budget.
Property, income and sales tax. Nah, frick off.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 10:04 am to toosleaux
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Livingston Parish Schools have a $400 million budget. Maybe the Sheriff's office can quit buying $40,000 Tahoes for the deputies that serve papers and move it to the schools?
Why would the sheriff have to do this if the School district budget is $400 million? Maybe they need to stop mismanaging their 400 million?
Posted on 3/31/23 at 10:08 am to winkchance
What would you think a budget should be for almost 50 sites, 3700 employees and 27000 students? There isn’t an entity close to that in LP. One of the higher ranked school districts with less spending per student than 64/68 districts. Seems like they are probably underfunded.
This post was edited on 3/31/23 at 10:13 am
Posted on 3/31/23 at 10:18 am to LSUAngelHere1
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A first year teacher starts at over $47k in LP.
What is their entire package?
Salary
Pension/retirement
Health insurance (and does it include their entire family?)
As a businessman I know that benefit packages are getting more costly. Health insurance drives a lot of that, but so does retirement. Miss extremely hard fir a businessman to fund salary increases while keeping up with rising benefit costs.
If a teacher makes 47 K a year to start, how much more do they make in benefits??? I’d bet it’s way over 12K a year.
This post was edited on 3/31/23 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 3/31/23 at 10:40 am to Tigerpaw123
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And I don’t think most people really have a problem with raises being issued because of merit and performance, but we do have a problem when we look at government spending of our tax dollars as a whole and see such waste (across the board and not limited to education, but we are tired of our tax dollars being wasted), instead of coming to the public and asking for more of our money , look elsewhere, see where money is not being wisely spent and make adjustments.
This is it 100%. Our property tax millages look like a walmart grocery run receipt. If everything we pay in taxes cant support sustainabale police departments, fire fighters, public schools, and roads WTF does it go to? they ask for additional taxes constantly. I think people just want to know where the money is going, not just in LPSB, but everywhere. The giant bureaucracy is horribly inefficient, we need ISDs like Texas.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 10:58 am to secondandshort
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What would you think a budget should be for almost 50 sites, 3700 employees and 27000 students?
Well this is a huge problem in Louisiana but not unique to LP. Ascension is about to make a similar mistake with Prairieville High.
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