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Anyone ever been their own GC for a new home build?
Posted on 8/3/22 at 9:17 am
Posted on 8/3/22 at 9:17 am
Wife (no pics) and I are looking at buying a lot in Lee Rd and building our own house. Planning on financing the land by itself for a few years and paying a good chunk off and then rolling the rest into a mortgage. My brother is a Subcontractor and said that we should forgo the use of a GC and handle that ourselves. He said he can recommend all of the other subs that we will need and will assist in inspections of their work. Anyone ever done this and have thoughts/ advice?
Posted on 8/3/22 at 9:24 am to Bowhunter94
Yes. If you’re willing to visit the site daily/frequently and also oversee milestone events like concrete pours and you have flexibility with your job that you can visit during the day if there’s an issue, it’s not bad.
Do you know construction/are you mechanically inclined? Having someone with contacts in your pocket like you said you would have is a plus. Plus you can do some work yourself if you so choose.
I don’t buy into the myth of “contractors won’t work with you” or “contractors will charge you way more.” If that’s the case, you didn’t want them in the first place.
Do you know construction/are you mechanically inclined? Having someone with contacts in your pocket like you said you would have is a plus. Plus you can do some work yourself if you so choose.
I don’t buy into the myth of “contractors won’t work with you” or “contractors will charge you way more.” If that’s the case, you didn’t want them in the first place.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 9:28 am to Bowhunter94
I am ~6 weeks away from finishing a build off of Lee Road right now. I'm lucky in that I've got a great contractor, but regardless, I can't imagine having GC'd this project on my own in normal times - much less right now. I think it also depends on the level of home you're building. I think it would be easier for a smaller house with less custom finishes as opposed to a larger house with more custom or high end components and work.
Even with a great contractor, I'm pretty heavily involved and it takes a significant amount of time away from my job/personal life/etc. If I were GCing everything on my own, I would effectively have two full time jobs and it probably would have taken twice as long.
This is a big deal because right now, my friends in the industry have told me that getting subs to show up period is more difficult than it's ever been. Getting subs to show up that do quality work is even harder. I would only start a project like that with your brother serving that role if you two have a very good relationship.
Even with a great contractor, I'm pretty heavily involved and it takes a significant amount of time away from my job/personal life/etc. If I were GCing everything on my own, I would effectively have two full time jobs and it probably would have taken twice as long.
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My brother is a Subcontractor and said that we should forgo the use of a GC and handle that ourselves. He said he can recommend all of the other subs that we will need and will assist in inspections of their work.
This is a big deal because right now, my friends in the industry have told me that getting subs to show up period is more difficult than it's ever been. Getting subs to show up that do quality work is even harder. I would only start a project like that with your brother serving that role if you two have a very good relationship.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 10:04 am to Bowhunter94
Think you will have 2 issues here, and its enough to not consider it.
1.) Good subs are hard to come by, the good ones are pretty well booked with GCs already and get steady work from them. Breaking away from that for your one build isn't very smart decision that could cost them future work. Shitty subs are all thats left that will work for an owner.
2.) Construction loan will be harder to come by.
Then you get to deal with all that comes with permitting.
1.) Good subs are hard to come by, the good ones are pretty well booked with GCs already and get steady work from them. Breaking away from that for your one build isn't very smart decision that could cost them future work. Shitty subs are all thats left that will work for an owner.
2.) Construction loan will be harder to come by.
Then you get to deal with all that comes with permitting.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 10:08 am to Bowhunter94
"You are entering a world of pain"
Posted on 8/3/22 at 11:46 am to Bowhunter94
I did it about 10 years ago. I don’t know about now, but back then, it wasn’t hard. The variables that will make or break you are location and the subs, and they’re tied together. I had the fortune of building in a small-town market where I could evaluate subs by word-of-mouth and reputation. I was able to line up the people I wanted and make the schedule work. Because the people I picked were reputable, I didn’t have to worry so much about the work quality as I might have had to do with someone I didn’t know. I did have one crappy contractor out of the bunch, a stucco guy, but it wasn’t too bad. The bank was great and we worked everything over text and email.
It’s definitely doable if you vet the subs and have a good lumber/supply company to work with. We did ours in 9 months. Based on the GC estimates we got, we saved about $40-60K by doing it ourselves.
That being said, because of the current climate, I think you have to resign yourself to the fact that there will be material delays and higher costs. The stressful part will be dovetailing the contractors in and making sure you don’t have huge gaps of time where no one is working or waiting on materials. Do your prep work now and have all decisions made and everything picked out. If you’re 100% you’re going through with the build, start shopping now for lighting and plumbing fixtures, tubs, toilets- stuff you’ll have to have. We got a lot of stuff online and we’re able to save money there. Once you start building, keep changes to an absolute minimum.
It’s definitely doable if you vet the subs and have a good lumber/supply company to work with. We did ours in 9 months. Based on the GC estimates we got, we saved about $40-60K by doing it ourselves.
That being said, because of the current climate, I think you have to resign yourself to the fact that there will be material delays and higher costs. The stressful part will be dovetailing the contractors in and making sure you don’t have huge gaps of time where no one is working or waiting on materials. Do your prep work now and have all decisions made and everything picked out. If you’re 100% you’re going through with the build, start shopping now for lighting and plumbing fixtures, tubs, toilets- stuff you’ll have to have. We got a lot of stuff online and we’re able to save money there. Once you start building, keep changes to an absolute minimum.
This post was edited on 8/3/22 at 11:50 am
Posted on 8/3/22 at 12:38 pm to Bowhunter94
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Anyone ever been their own GC for a new home build?
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My brother is a Subcontractor
Tell him to get his contractor's license and take the responsibility. Trying to do that on your own, without ANY experience is absolutely asking for a real life nightmare. Do it and I guarantee you 2 things. You will spend way more than you should AND your marriage will fail.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 2:38 pm to Bowhunter94
However you choose to do it, Make sure your windows are ordered as soon as humanly possible.
Otherwise, you'll spend weeks or months stalled while waiting for windows.
Good luck however you choose to proceed.
Otherwise, you'll spend weeks or months stalled while waiting for windows.
Good luck however you choose to proceed.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:34 pm to Bowhunter94
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This post was edited on 10/26/22 at 9:24 am
Posted on 8/4/22 at 6:24 pm to Bowhunter94
It really depends where you are building. We are in the process of building and are subbing it out ourselves. The biggest issue is getting people you hire to do their portion of work scheduled when one is finished and so forth. With the homes being built and where we are building, it’s been trying at times. On one hand, interest has been high on the construction loan. But, we have saved three times as much doing it ourselves. Case in point, we started building in the last week in February, my buddy started a month later and used a GC. He has gotten ahead of me, but not by a lot and has had nothing but issues with his GC. My Sheetrock guy comes this week and then I am about even with him. Again, we aren’t in a very busy area so it may be different in a bigger city. Permits were a breeze as well and the inspections haven’t affected me in the least.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 6:51 pm to Bowhunter94
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My brother is a Subcontractor and said that we should forgo the use of a GC and handle that ourselves. He said he can recommend all of the other subs that we will need and will assist in inspections of their work.
Talk to your BIL and agree on a flat fee for him to handle everything so you won't be the middle man.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 7:46 pm to Bowhunter94
In this day and age, I highly don’t recommend it. I could give you 78 reasons why not from conception, procurement, construction, warranty, and family life. Also remember your brother has his own business to run.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 8:10 pm to Bowhunter94
I remodeled our master bath and kitchen a year ago, and hired all the subs myself. Even with my neighbor who is a contractor recommending the subs it was a real pain. Most wont show up on time or at all, one actually showed up a week late, and raised hell that I already gave the job to someone else. The first kitchen tile guy did good work until he went to lunch, and returned drunk. To keep the job moving I ended up doing a lot more work myself than I planned to do. This is what you deal with!
Posted on 8/4/22 at 8:50 pm to Bowhunter94
The amount you might save will not be worth it. The carrying cost on top of where you are staying now will also eat into that. It will definitely take you longer.
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 8/7/22 at 9:26 am to Bowhunter94
I finished my build November of 2020. Just before the Covid idiocracy got insane.
I will tell you I absolutely saved some money. I will also tell you that it was absolutely not worth the saved money. I became one hell of a bourbon drinker during my build. Having to fire subs and find replacements and stay on the timeline to get your next subs in was a nightmare.
It legitimately was a second full time job. I was able to take a lot of time off from my regular job and it was still a complete pain in the arse. I will NEVER do it again.
Also, It took me 10 months, but a good GC could get it done in nearly half that time.
I did exactly what you're doing here. I posted about it. Asked a bunch of questions. And I didn't listen to any of the responses like mine. I wish I would've, but truly I'd already made up my mind that I was doing it.
I was an "askhole." I should've listened. Wasn't worth it.
I will tell you I absolutely saved some money. I will also tell you that it was absolutely not worth the saved money. I became one hell of a bourbon drinker during my build. Having to fire subs and find replacements and stay on the timeline to get your next subs in was a nightmare.
It legitimately was a second full time job. I was able to take a lot of time off from my regular job and it was still a complete pain in the arse. I will NEVER do it again.
Also, It took me 10 months, but a good GC could get it done in nearly half that time.
I did exactly what you're doing here. I posted about it. Asked a bunch of questions. And I didn't listen to any of the responses like mine. I wish I would've, but truly I'd already made up my mind that I was doing it.
I was an "askhole." I should've listened. Wasn't worth it.
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