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re: The New Hubble Telescope

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Posted by rexorotten
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Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 10:47 pm to
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I just don’t think people are justifying the cost of JWST over what we had in place (Hubble)



All told it cost each taxpayer about $30. For the returns we’ll be getting from it over the years that is completely fair and justified.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 10:48 pm to
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..and we should be able to understand the first rudiments of what we’ll need to do in order to update our model beyond the limits of General Relativity.


So information from the JWST will challenge E=MC^2? Will we be able to develop some kind of new energy or weapon, such as nuclear fission/fission?
Posted by Ancient Astronaut
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 10:48 pm to
I’m excited about the atmosphere reading stuff
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 10:50 pm to
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So information from the JWST will challenge E=MC^2? Will we be able to develop some kind of new energy or weapon, such as nuclear fission/fission?


Who the hell knows what technological offshoots might come from this? We could discover the secrets of interstellar travel for all we know. This is called pure research. The engineers will get a crack at the technological innovations when the scientists have done their work to tell them how the universe works.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 10:51 pm to
Saw something not long ago about the universe expanding faster than previously expected. Maybe this sheds some starlight on the situation.
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 10:53 pm to
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So information from the JWST will challenge E=MC^2?
No.
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Will we be able to develop some kind of new energy or weapon, such as nuclear fission/fission?
Maybe. It may help answer some questions about the nature of dark matter.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 10:56 pm to
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Maybe. It may help answer some questions about the nature of dark matter.


I hate being cynical ab the JWST, I was heavily anticipating the launch for the last 10 years or so. I know it’s early but have been underwhelmed with what has been released to the public thus far, although I know that information (optical images) is not critical to the goal of the data gathered by JWST
Posted by EA6B
TX
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 10:58 pm to
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I was hoping someone could advance a practical goal. Maybe I just don’t get a practical benefit of this.


Probably the largest practical benefit will be from the dozens of technological advances that were made during the the design and construction. New materials were invented, there were advances in heat shielding, low temperature physics, electronic packaging, data compression, and transmission. Just like spinoffs from the manned space program, NASA makes these advances available to private industry. They will find their way into medicine, transportation, information technology and hundreds of other things we will use everyday.
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 11:11 pm to
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I’m trying to figure out what exactly we hope to find.




The truth of the matter is that NASA is going to turn the telescope cameras towards earth so we can finally get clear pictures of all the WalMart shoplifters.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 11:20 pm to
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All told it cost each taxpayer about $30. For the returns we’ll be getting from it over the years that is completely fair and justified.


So the JWST is a call option on technology in your opinion? Did Hubble provide any commercially adaptable technology?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 11:26 pm to
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Did Hubble provide any commercially adaptable technology?
LINK
Posted by CSinLC
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 11:26 pm to
Gotta admit I’m with you. I think Nasa wastes lots of money.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 11:33 pm to
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Lmao
Posted by cable
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 11:37 pm to
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as nuclear fission/fission?

we discovered fission back in the 40s - it's fusion that we want
Posted by hubertcumberdale
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 11:38 pm to
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we discovered fission back in the 40s - it's fusion that we want


Which was a product of general relativity
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 11:39 pm to
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Which was a product of general relativity


Special Relativity, but who’s counting.

General Relativity is Einstein’s theory of gravity and cosmic evolution.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 11:44 pm to
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Special Relativity, but who’s counting. General Relativity is Einstein’s theory of gravity and cosmic evolution.


General relativity states mass = energy. This is the basis of nuclear energy
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 11:52 pm to
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General relativity states mass = energy. This is the basis of nuclear energy


Since General Relativity is a generalization (hence the name) of Special Relativity, you wouldn’t be technically wrong.

But General Relativity went a million miles beyond Special Relativity and explained how mass curves space-time, thereby generating the force of gravity. Extrapolated to a cosmic scale, it explains why the universe moves the way it moves.

The problem is, we know this theory is incomplete, because of how it breaks down when mass is extremely densely concentrated. It gives us nonsensical infinite answers.

By peering into the extremes of space, back in time when matter was more densely concentrated (the farther we see into space, the further back in time we also see), we see the universe nearly at the regimes when General Relativity would start to break down.

Analyzing the data from these far reaches can perhaps elucidate deviations from the expected results, indicating potential answers for what a more complete theory would have to explain.

Now, how engineers utilize this data, I dunno. We haven’t exactly gathered a whole lot of data yet, so we don’t know where the science might lead us. But I’m sure the engineers who make the technology that we can commercialize appreciate the work of the physicists to expand our knowledge of the universe.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 11:56 pm to
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Now, how engineers utilize this data, I dunno. We haven’t exactly gathered a whole lot of data yet, so we don’t know where the science might lead us. But I’m sure the engineers who make the technology that we can commercialize appreciate the work of the physicists to expand our knowledge of the universe.


I can definitely appreciate this answer. As I said, I’m in science and hate to be cynical about something like the JWST Bc I honestly don’t know enough about it to have a legit opinion, I just followed it’s progress for years and was bummed by the initial image releases, even though that’s not the point of the JWST to capture optical images. I’m definitely hopeful of the discoveries it will unveil in the future.
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