re: Fox Sports Marcellus Wiley says it’s not guns, it’s about people

We can give these types of things the streaker treatment in sports and strip out any sensationalism around the coverage of these events, as well as stop over-medicating our kids with mood altering drugs. That will do much more in fighting our current issue than any gun regulation proposal that has been put forth.

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So the coefficient shows there's a 17% reduction in killings from guns purchased recently. It's not saying that of all gun homicides, it's saying there's a 17% reduction in homicides from recently purchased guns.

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Okay. I was responding to this -

“ A reduction of 17% is because the waiting period stops 17% of gun homicides from occurring.”

What you meant was “… stops 17% of homicides where the perpetrator uses a gun purchased within 5 days of the killing.”

So the obvious questions are -

1. How many murders are committed with guns purchased within 5 days of the killing? My guess is substantially less than 1%.

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2. How does the answer to #1 compare to how many people defend themselves with a recently purchased gun? My guess is it’s a lot more than the number of murders committed with recently purchased guns.

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I've given statistics and sources for every piece of data I've provided.

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You posted that the murder rate for white non-Hispanic Americans is 4 times higher than the murder rate for France. I didn’t see your link or source - what is it?

Thanks to three young Americans with testosterone that were on the 3:15 to Thalys a lot of lives were saved. How did that terrorist get a gun that is outlawed? He knew when he got on that train nobody could shoot him. Only raw courage of Spencer Stone, Alex Skarlatos and Anthony Sadler and a 62 year old Brit named Chris Norman.

Gun laws only protect the evil.

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LINK

Page 12.

It's old but it's the closest data I could find.

When this data came out, France's murder rate was around 1.5 homicides per 100,000. The US non-hispanic white homicide offending rate was 4.7 per 100,000 at the time.

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You don't write like you're dim. I think you're probably pretty bright, so I assume you know the games you're playing with these statistics.

Page 12 presents offender data for whites, blacks and others. Yet you're using this data in support of an argument that US non-Hispanic white homicide offending rate was 4.7 per 100,000 during the period.

And I'm not sure why you're grabbing data that goes back to 2005. I think it's reasonable to not consider data from the last two years during the Democrat-fueled violence campaign, but there's data for late last decade.

Let's start with data from your second link -

From 2010 thru 2016, France's average homicide rate was 1.3 per 100K. For the same period, the US's homicide rate was 4.8 per 100K. We know something north of 50% of homicide offenders in the US are black and that the black population is about 13% of the total. Removing murders perpetrated by blacks and the black population from US stats, you're left with, over that period, an average of 2.8 white (including Hispanic) offenders per 100,000 whites (including Hispanic). So before removing the Hispanic murder/offender stats from the "white" category, we're already way outside your suggestion that the murder rate for "white non-Hispanic Americans" is 4 times greater than France's murder rate.

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A waiting period would just be one measure.

The study says that around 2000 lives in total would be saved from gun homicides every year, which is small but I would argue it's still a reduction.

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Please tell me you know how retarded this "study" is.

In normal/recent times (before Dems started encouraging violent crime a few years ago), there were 15K-to-17K murders per year. The "2000 lives being saved by a 5-day waiting period" would require that, what, 3,000 murders per year are committed with firearms purchased within the previous 5-days? No fricking way is that even close. Seriously, if this was happening every single person in America would know it because it would be talked about every day on every news channel and by every Dem and half of the Rep politicians.

And you ignored the very important point about the people that defend themselves with recently purchased weapons. Why?

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we shouldn't be giving guns to the mentally ill.

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Who is making the decision whether someone is mentally ill or not? The same doctors who constantly fricked up at every turn over the KungFlu?

Props also to Wiley for shunning the BLM BS! He knew they were trained Marxist against the western nuclear family!

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Okay. So we're not going to look at studies or do anything then. We should do nothing then? We can't cite anything then by your standards of hating 'experts'. Good discussion.

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Are you even a grown adult? Did you not read anything I posted? And none of that caused you a nanosecond of pause? Does the concept of at least being marginally skeptical seem sooo outlandish to you?

Good grief.

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They don't count gang crime as part of their definition :)

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Of course they don't. Can't have any narratives out there that show how truly violent young black males really are.

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Yea… he won’t be going to ESPN anytime soon lol

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Good ! Obviously the man is a rational free thinker, so he deserves better than ESPN/Disney !

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Scaling for population, US homicide rates are far higher than the rest of the world - in fact, France's homicide rate is 1.3 per 100,000.

The US is almost 5x that - in fact, if you just look at the white population (i.e white homicide defendants), they occur at a rate 4x that of France. So it can't be pinned on gang crime either because this is comparing white American defendants to France.

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There are no brown or black people in France?