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re: Coaches starting to speak up about NIL chaos

Posted on 12/17/21 at 1:43 pm to
Posted by mcpotiger
Missouri
Member since Mar 2005
6938 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 1:43 pm to
And Guess you is at the head of the line.. Dabos daddy.. Nick the DICK.
Posted by SeanLSU
Member since May 2019
1759 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 1:59 pm to
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The Globalist Elites understand this and are pressuring the NCAA through other bodies (like state governments and the Globalist-controlled media networks) to destroy college football.

Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16036 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 2:08 pm to
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Dabo is saying that it is "total chaos", tampering everywhere and kids are being manipulated left and right.

Clemson is one of the schools, like LSU, that really can't compete in this new NIL landscape. It will be interesting to see what schools thrive and which ones sink once everyone figures out the way things work under NIL rules. Right now Texas, Texas A&M, and Bama got the jump on everyone. MIght be hard for Bama to keep up with those two though.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
12264 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 2:12 pm to
I would like to hear from Woodward on whether he adequately anticipated the new NIL environment or whether he deliberately elected not to go the way of the Bama, Texas and TA&M folks.
Clearly, at this point, we are losing the race
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
166500 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 2:14 pm to
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and its only fair for the kids.


yep. all these fans that talked this shite can frick off. i was always against paying players. this is only the beginning
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16036 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 2:15 pm to
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As I suggested in another thread, the thought of Alabama hanging with Texas dollar for dollar is starting to become comical.

It was a brilliant run, but very soon it's going to be over.


100%. Might take a few years but Bama is not going to be able to keep up. The SEC as a whole is going to fade, with the exception of Texas, aTm, and probably Georgia. Big 10 and Pac 12 on the rise.
Posted by FutureRATeammember
Member since Jan 2015
3768 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 2:15 pm to
He obviously didn't anticipate the new environment. Jumbo seriously beefed up his recruiting support staff over the past year and it showed. They had deals ready to go. All legal.

In some ways this evens the playing field. You can now just find guys money.
Posted by Sackdogg
Livingston
Member since Jul 2010
262 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 2:16 pm to
Yep. But idiots like Matt Mascona is all for the NIL and transfer portal. Watch what happens. Unless something is done about all of this, college football will no longer be the same in a couple of years.
Posted by r0cky1
Member since Oct 2020
3366 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 2:16 pm to
Dabo will always whine that’s nothing new
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119028 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 2:23 pm to
The NFL model works pretty good. Maybe CFB should adopt it. Players can sign 3,4, or 5 year contracts between schools, have a union to represent their interest and salary caps for schools.

Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68425 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 2:24 pm to
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go the way of the Bama, Texas and TA&M folks
Is there a story that reports on this. I haven't been following what's going on with those three.
Posted by machismo64
Birmingham, Al
Member since Dec 2011
241 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 2:31 pm to
The new landscape will be that those schools with the most generous boosters will win.

While booster money has always made its way to players, the opening of the process will allow the amounts will rise to such a degree that booster money through NIL will be the most important factor in a university football program's ability to get recruits.

You have seen the explosion in coach salaries? You will see similar explosion in player compensation. LSU will likely be outspent by Texas and A&M. Not sure that even Bama can match Longhorn and Aggie money in the longer term.
Posted by FutureRATeammember
Member since Jan 2015
3768 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 2:35 pm to
I agree. Good take.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36182 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 2:38 pm to
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No offense man, it's all very clear. Have you not been listening to coaches comments the last few days? Go read Andy staples or Bruce Feldman this week.

I respect what jimbo said on andy staples podcast yesterday. Nil has changed everything, and tamu took advantage of the new rules. It's very clear.


I don’t need to know what Jimbo and Dabo are saying. I read what the Supreme Court said. Preventing an athlete from using their NIL violates an athlete’s rights.

And there really aren’t any new rules, except the fact schools can not directly pay a player. It’s really about tearing down the rules that prevented players from making a buck via NIL.

And yes schools that understood what was happened and acted quickly certainly gained an advantage.
Posted by BlackPot
Member since Oct 2016
2068 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 2:41 pm to
Big time coaches won't be saying much. That's another schools sales pitch. "You see how Coach Sweeny is not fond of NIL, well over here we can help you make as much as possible".

It's a weird time to be in, but it's here right now and coaches will have to adapt.
Posted by pelicanpride
Houston
Member since Oct 2007
1300 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 2:44 pm to
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Might take a few years but Bama is not going to be able to keep up. The SEC as a whole is going to fade, with the exception of Texas, aTm, and probably Georgia.


For the life of me, I can’t figure out why some of you are so certain that LSU will not be able to keep up (or at least be competitive with) Texas and A&M. We just paid 30 million for our coaching staff to go away. We have one of the largest athletic budgets in the country. Clearly, we need to get organized, but there isn’t the gulf some of you seem to think there is.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20033 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 2:57 pm to
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I looks for others to speak up, but the NCAA is toothless.


Wait up, why is this on the NCAA? They were all but forced to do this. Their opposition always centered around making it equitable.

Maybe it’s because these kids were (with limited exceptions) not being deprived from capitalization of their NIL, maybe it was their services that were being undervalued.

These kids are now being paid for their services under the guise of NIL and it is indeed chaos.

What is happening now is exactly why it was opposed, it was pretty easy to predict. But simple minded individuals were stuck on the notion that anyone opposed didn’t want the kids to get compensated.

All NCAA players are compensated by their scholarship. If they don’t like that deal, they should look at other offers. None of them do, because it’s the best offer.

Again, the NFL (and NBA to a different extent) and it’s players union are sitting there with no development league whatsoever, and imposing age/experience restrictions on players, relying on the NCAA to develop its players, while they keep all the profits.

Lastly, the NCAA (and its member schools) make money off of loyalty. People are loyal to their schools, and pay to see them be successful. Well if the players are only loyal to money, and not the schools, where does the profit come from? Who is going to continue to pay for these players when they will take another deal in the middle of the season? Anyone that was clamoring for this, it’s on you.

Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20033 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 2:59 pm to
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I have to think that the NCAA is totally bought off for this to go unchecked as it has.


They were sued into allowing it.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20033 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 3:17 pm to
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Yep. But idiots like Matt Mascona is all for the NIL and transfer portal. Watch what happens.


Yep, he’s been preaching for a while.

The real issue is that there is no alternative market for these kids talents. Every startup pro football league has failed. Did you see any kids go straight to the AFL or XFL instead of NCAA? No you didn’t. The market has shown that the NCAA is still the best deal by the kids’ own actions. But it’s just not good enough.

Everyone talks about “profits” in the ncaa but virtually all of it is nonprofit. The schools that make money reinvest in their facilities and student athlete development. But that’s not good enough, and it’s only that way because maybe 100 non draft eligible players a year are making less than their market rate, all due to pro league restrictions.

NIL is a joke. The only actual advertisement I have seen a college kid in that I can recall is Cade York velveta.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27725 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 4:36 pm to
Wait until Harvard decides to play this game
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