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PAC > SEC?
Posted on 6/12/10 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 6/12/10 at 10:25 pm
So obviously living here in AZ this is all I'm hearing if both Texas and OU go. I personally don't think it makes it better........just bigger. But it's not like these teams will play eachother every season. Sure hope they have a conference championship now though.
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Posted on 6/12/10 at 10:27 pm to LivininAZbutLoveLSU
It will go from a 1 team league (USC), to a 2 team league (OU, UT. . .SC is done for the near future).
Better? sure.
As good as the SEC? meh.
Better? sure.
As good as the SEC? meh.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 10:31 pm to LivininAZbutLoveLSU
Laughable.
Texas will dominate the new Pac whatever. It will be a one horse race for a while with OU upsetting them once every 3 years or so.
The passion as well as quality in football will not even be in the same universe as the SEC. They will either be a VERY distant second to the SEC or more likely third behind the new BIG 10 now that USC is about to be irrelevant for years to come.
The SEC has 5 of the top revenue producers in the top 10 in the country. 6 of the top 11.
The new expanded PAC whatever will have 1 - Texas.
Texas will dominate the new Pac whatever. It will be a one horse race for a while with OU upsetting them once every 3 years or so.
The passion as well as quality in football will not even be in the same universe as the SEC. They will either be a VERY distant second to the SEC or more likely third behind the new BIG 10 now that USC is about to be irrelevant for years to come.
The SEC has 5 of the top revenue producers in the top 10 in the country. 6 of the top 11.
The new expanded PAC whatever will have 1 - Texas.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 10:31 pm to LivininAZbutLoveLSU
quote:
PAC > SEC?
Bigger not better!
Posted on 6/12/10 at 10:31 pm to Roaad
If Texas or OU were rolling SEC teams in BCS title games, I'd be inclined to say yes.
But the evidence suggests otherwise.
But the evidence suggests otherwise.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 10:37 pm to LivininAZbutLoveLSU
From the preliminary talk, it will be more of a coalition than a real conference. B12 South and whoever aligns with them will still play the meat of their schedule against each other, and no CCG. You just will have one away game a year against the other "division" in football, I believe.
More bark than bite.
More bark than bite.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 10:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:criminal
and no CCG.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 10:41 pm to LivininAZbutLoveLSU
quote:
So obviously living here in AZ this is all I'm hearing if both Texas and OU go.
There are football fans in Arizona? I thought they only cared about basketball and keeping Mexicans out.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 11:21 pm to Bench McElroy
Yep.....the way we see it.....If you're Illegal.....And you want free housing, free school, free food, free medical and free hospital, No Insurance Cost, No taxes and plenty of jobs.......Los Angeles seems like the place for you.
But you're right........football sucks here. No doubt.
But you're right........football sucks here. No doubt.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 11:38 pm to LivininAZbutLoveLSU
no way the big 12 was better than the sec, so why does adding 1/2 their teams to a team very inferior to the sec make it better?
This post was edited on 6/12/10 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 6/12/10 at 11:58 pm to Alabama Slim
quote:
no way the big 12 was better than the sec, so why does adding 1/2 their teams to a team very inferior to the sec make it better?
The big 12s biggest drawback was the bottom half of it sucked in football.
The pac 10 is trying to take the top half of the big 12 talent in football.
The pac 10s issue is that it has always been very weak on the bottom. But with the emergence of some middle caliber teams (Oregon State, Cal) and the addition of the top half of the big 12, the strength of that conference has/will skyrocket.
You only have SEC people posting on this site. Do you expect them to actually say something negative against the SEC?
I am not saying I think the PAC>SEC, but it is at least a discussion.
UT
OU
USC
Cal
Oregon
Oregon State
Arizona
Arizona State
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State
That is a pretty strong top half to their conference. With teams like UCLA and Washington vastly improving.
*I don't even see these 16 team things as 'conferences.' They are just two conferences under the same name...but when you can't even play the majority of the teams in your conference, then you are just creating a veil of a name.*
This post was edited on 6/12/10 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 6/13/10 at 12:08 am to LivininAZbutLoveLSU
quote:
PAC > SEC?
No but a PAC 16 would be much more competitive with Texas and OU. When I do a comparison, this is roughly how they would match up:
Tier 1:
Texas - Florida
USC - Alabama
LSU - OU
Tier 2:
Georgia - Oregon and Washington
Auburn - UCLA
Tennessee - Arizona St.
Tier 3:
South Carolina - Texas Tech
Kentucky - Stanford
Ole Miss - Cal
Arkansas - Okie St. and Arizona
Tier 4:
MSU - Colorado
Vandy - Washington St.
I would say that the top 2 tiers in the SEC are somewhat better than their Pac 16 counterparts but the further down you go, the more the SEC would struggle have enough quality teams to match up.
Posted on 6/13/10 at 12:16 am to LivininAZbutLoveLSU
We all saw how great OU and Texas were against the SEC in the title games.
Posted on 6/13/10 at 12:17 am to Three 6 Italia
quote:
We all saw how great OU and Texas were against the SEC in the title games.
You have a shitty sample size.
Posted on 6/13/10 at 12:21 am to lynxcat
can you really consider the pac16 a true conference if they barely play teams from opposite divisions and don't have a conference championship game?
Texas will play at USC once every 16 years. I agree with the early poster who said it is a coalition, not a conference.
Texas will play at USC once every 16 years. I agree with the early poster who said it is a coalition, not a conference.
Posted on 6/13/10 at 12:56 am to TigerBait1127
quote:
can you really consider the pac16 a true conference if they barely play teams from opposite divisions and don't have a conference championship game?
Texas will play at USC once every 16 years. I agree with the early poster who said it is a coalition, not a conference.
Completely agree.
Posted on 6/13/10 at 1:00 am to lynxcat
whih is why I think they are overestimating the west coast tv market they think it will bring in. Casual/bandwagon fans (most college football fans out west)of the west coast will still have no reason to watch the former Big 12 schools play eachother.
Posted on 6/13/10 at 1:03 am to lynxcat
quote:
can you really consider the pac16 a true conference if they barely play teams from opposite divisions and don't have a conference championship game? Texas will play at USC once every 16 years. I agree with the early poster who said it is a coalition, not a conference.
hope more people start to realize this.
if they dont have a championship game then its a huge joke. betting they start the ball rolling on more then 2 teams from the same "conference" being in the BCS as well.
This post was edited on 6/13/10 at 1:03 am
Posted on 6/13/10 at 1:59 am to G4LSU
Where are you kids getting this info?
Who says that there will not be a conference championship game?
Is it wrong to post after you have been drinking*?
*should there be a mandatory disclaimer?
Who says that there will not be a conference championship game?
Is it wrong to post after you have been drinking*?
*should there be a mandatory disclaimer?
Posted on 6/13/10 at 2:52 am to JuniperSprouts
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The coach said it's possible the Pac-16 would push for two automatic bids to the BCS, one for each division champion. That potential bonanza could open the possibility of the two division champs from one league playing for the national title, and it would eliminate the need for a conference championship game. "The Pac-10 doesn't believe in a championship game," the coach said. "And coaches in the Big 12 don't like it anyway."
LINK
I've seen it on a ton of boards as well
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