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Why do people assume that Kiffin without Saban's control will be a great OC?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:01 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:01 am
One of the reasons Kiffin has been successful at Bama is likely largely due to the fact that Saban keeps him in check.
He tends to get overly "creative" at times and thinks he can do no wrong.
People assuming he'll come here with basically complete and total control of the offense and won't revert to his past of being too cute for his own good in playcalling are in for a potential rude awakening.
I am not saying he won't do well, but I simply think his current success these past 3 years has largely been a product of the reins Saban has put on him.
He tends to get overly "creative" at times and thinks he can do no wrong.
People assuming he'll come here with basically complete and total control of the offense and won't revert to his past of being too cute for his own good in playcalling are in for a potential rude awakening.
I am not saying he won't do well, but I simply think his current success these past 3 years has largely been a product of the reins Saban has put on him.
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:03 am to Geauxgurt
I think he's a good enough OC although i'd rather Sark or Briles.
My fear is that Orgeron doesn't have the backbone to reign him in and things will become a shite show in no time.
And then, I think if Orgeron is fired within 3 years that our inept administration won't bring in a top level coach and we will be sold Kiffin as HC.
My fear is that Orgeron doesn't have the backbone to reign him in and things will become a shite show in no time.
And then, I think if Orgeron is fired within 3 years that our inept administration won't bring in a top level coach and we will be sold Kiffin as HC.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 11:06 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:04 am to Geauxgurt
Without Saban's control Kiffin will be back to bringing sanctions and dirty recruiting wherever he ends up, and i dont want that place to be LSU.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:07 am to TDcline
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i'd rather Sark
I don't get the love affair everyone has with Steve Sarkisian. Can someone explain this to me?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:08 am to Geauxgurt
My fear exactly. Saban is making these coordinators. They leave, and they become marginal
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:10 am to Geauxgurt
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Why do people assume that Kiffin without Saban's control will be a great OC?
well he was great under Carroll as wel
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:10 am to Geauxgurt
I cant stand the guy, but he's creative and has a knack for calling the right play at the right time. Thats not Saban developing those QBs. Saban is the one telling him to run the clock, not take unnecessary chances, etc.
The problem with Kiffin is off the field. He's immature and has no recruiting ethics. He needs a babysitter like Saban to reel him in. If anything O will be egging him on. I fear NCAA violations with Orgeron, and especially if you add Kiffin to the mix. I dont think Kiffin is that good where you should overlook his baggage.
The problem with Kiffin is off the field. He's immature and has no recruiting ethics. He needs a babysitter like Saban to reel him in. If anything O will be egging him on. I fear NCAA violations with Orgeron, and especially if you add Kiffin to the mix. I dont think Kiffin is that good where you should overlook his baggage.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 11:13 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:10 am to Geauxgurt
Excellent post. I agree with most.
But I don't think sabans rule is what makes kiffin looks so good, it's sabans oline. Bama had the best oline well before kiffin got there. It would make any OC look serviceable. Look at mcelwain...do we really think he was elite?
I'm afraid lsu will never be able to recruit the OL like bama, so our offense will never be that dominate.
That's why I would rather have a spread guy like briles, that can hide some OL deficiencies.
But I don't think sabans rule is what makes kiffin looks so good, it's sabans oline. Bama had the best oline well before kiffin got there. It would make any OC look serviceable. Look at mcelwain...do we really think he was elite?
I'm afraid lsu will never be able to recruit the OL like bama, so our offense will never be that dominate.
That's why I would rather have a spread guy like briles, that can hide some OL deficiencies.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:10 am to Tiger Tracker
quote:I think you mean, Without the REC doing work....
Without Saban's control Kiffin will be back to bringing sanctions and dirty recruiting wherever he ends up, and i dont want that place to be LSU.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:13 am to Geauxgurt
I think he'll be fine as an OC, but I don't want to be here a year from now fretting over who O is going to have to lure in next year after Lane takes a HC gig. I know you can't make decisions based on that, but since this is the position this hire has put us in, it needs to be considered, especially due to the amount of young QBs we'll have on next years team
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 11:21 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:15 am to clamdip
Not only the rec, but also how much is the Bama 3 deep 5 star roster helping him? Look at Smart for example
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:17 am to Nawlinsboyinbossier
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but also how much is the Bama 3 deep 5 star roster helping him? Look at Smart for example
I'll look at 3 different QBs in 3 years and all have been better than anything we have had recently and none of them have been elite talents
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:18 am to Geauxgurt
On the contrary, I think that Ed's long and close relationship with Kiffin will help him bring out the best in Lane.
He knows when to push and when not to push, in other words. Plus, it's so in their mutual best interests for Lane to do a bang-up job. Ed's one of his best friends, and he just landed his "dream job".
What kind of shitty friend would you be if you did anything but bust your arse to help your good friend succeed at his dream job?
He knows when to push and when not to push, in other words. Plus, it's so in their mutual best interests for Lane to do a bang-up job. Ed's one of his best friends, and he just landed his "dream job".
What kind of shitty friend would you be if you did anything but bust your arse to help your good friend succeed at his dream job?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:20 am to Geauxgurt
Lane Kiffin without a tight leash is a concern of mine.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:20 am to ffhouston
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He knows when to push and when not to push, in other words. Plus, it's so in their mutual best interests for Lane to do a bang-up job. Ed's one of his best friends, and he just landed his "dream job".
What kind of shitty friend would you be if you did anything but bust your arse to help your good friend succeed at his dream job?
You don't know any of this lol
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:35 am to Geauxgurt
Without Saban hovering over him, he's a bull in a china shop. There is a reason Saban keeps him away from the media. if I were Saban, I'd be tired of having to do that shite 
Saban doesn't keep an OC more than about 3 or 4 years max. It's about run its course I think.
Kiffin can go to LSU and pretty much do what he wants, say what he wants, act how he wants. That's got to be awfully tempting. I would want to check that out. Nawlins down the road too.
Saban doesn't keep an OC more than about 3 or 4 years max. It's about run its course I think.
Kiffin can go to LSU and pretty much do what he wants, say what he wants, act how he wants. That's got to be awfully tempting. I would want to check that out. Nawlins down the road too.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:10 pm to Fus0623
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My fear exactly. Saban is making these coordinators. They leave, and they become marginal
As head coaches. Has a coordinator left making a lateral move and failed?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:12 pm to Geauxgurt
First of all he already is a great coordinator...fact
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:17 pm to Geauxgurt
2.5 national titles, 1 other appearance, and a playoff appearance. won 38 strait at SC and he's won 24 straight at Alabama currently. Let's not mince words here. Lane Kiffin is an elite OC, maybe the best in the country.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:22 pm to TDcline
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i'd rather Sark
Why is that?
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