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Whoever we hire, let's not act like Texas
Posted on 10/3/16 at 9:52 am
Posted on 10/3/16 at 9:52 am
Can we all agree to not act like Texas? IMO, whoever we hire is going to have a learning curve (except for maybe Jimbo). Anyone else is going to make mistakes early on and have to learn and grow.
Can we all agree to not want to fire our new coach after 2.3 seasons at the helm? Maybe let whoever it is build a culture and have some time to grow as a coach?
Texas wanting to fire Charlie Strong is so short-sided. They fired Mack Brown and the best they could do was Strong. And, he has had to turn a dumpster fire around and needs time to do it. Judging him at this point is a pretty big mistake. Especially when he's been recruiting lights out.
Can we all agree that a new coach at LSU should be given 4 full years before we decide to run him off because he couldn't beat Saban?
Can we all agree to not want to fire our new coach after 2.3 seasons at the helm? Maybe let whoever it is build a culture and have some time to grow as a coach?
Texas wanting to fire Charlie Strong is so short-sided. They fired Mack Brown and the best they could do was Strong. And, he has had to turn a dumpster fire around and needs time to do it. Judging him at this point is a pretty big mistake. Especially when he's been recruiting lights out.
Can we all agree that a new coach at LSU should be given 4 full years before we decide to run him off because he couldn't beat Saban?
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Posted on 10/3/16 at 9:54 am to hashtag
I agree.
Let's not act like Texas:
Let's not act like Texas:
Posted on 10/3/16 at 9:55 am to hashtag
Under Strong, Texas has gone 6-7, 5-7, and are now 2-2. After LSU just fired Miles midseason, you mean to tell me that LSU fans would not be calling for his head had Strong done this at LSU and not Texas?
Posted on 10/3/16 at 9:55 am to hashtag
tRant was ready to fire Les Miles after 2008, 1 year removed from a national championship
Posted on 10/3/16 at 9:56 am to hashtag
LSU isn't really a dumpster fire though. We have the talent, its just not being developed on offense. Whoever comes in will be handed the keys to a supercar, not a fixer upper. Why do you think Coach O wants this job so bad? If he had these players all 3 years at Ole Miss then maybe he doesn't go 3-21. He knows that even an idiot can take this roster and win 9 games a year.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:03 am to Aggie Fishfinder
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Under Strong, Texas has gone 6-7, 5-7, and are now 2-2. After LSU just fired Miles midseason, you mean to tell me that LSU fans would not be calling for his head had Strong done this at LSU and not Texas?
Miles was at LSU for 12 years. How much longer did we need to give him to figure out what he was doing on offense didn't work?
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:04 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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LSU isn't really a dumpster fire though. We have the talent, its just not being developed on offense. Whoever comes in will be handed the keys to a supercar, not a fixer upper.
Texas had 3 seasons of 8, 9, and 8 wins and then fired Mack Brown.
LSU has had seasons of 10, 8, and 9 wins and then fired Les Miles.
It isn't as different a situation as you think. Charlie Strong just decided to blow things up to change the culture at Texas. Doing that requires time and things get worse before they get better.
And I have a feeling that whichever coach we bring will likely be much different than Les Miles. And some of our players are not going to handle that well. It can turn into a similar situation very quickly.
This post was edited on 10/3/16 at 10:06 am
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:06 am to tigerwith3
If Miles hadn't won a natty and instead started like Strong has at Texas, you'd be in favor of allowing Miles to stay more than 3 years?
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:08 am to hashtag
I know you guys keep making these topics hoping that Texas will keep Strong so we can get Herman.
A coach should have 3 full seasons. By then you know if the program is trending up or down, dumpster fire or not.
A coach should have 3 full seasons. By then you know if the program is trending up or down, dumpster fire or not.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:11 am to Aggie Fishfinder
quote:I wouldn't be talking about firing him before he even coached his 3rd game in the 3rd season. Heck, people at Texas had started talking about how they had made the wrong decision before he coached one game. Players started getting dismissed from the team or leaving and people wanted him gone for blowing it up. The same people that were fed up with Mack Brown, his lack of discipline, and how he favored players.
If Miles hadn't won a natty and instead started like Strong has at Texas, you'd be in favor of allowing Miles to stay more than 3 years?
Texas fired Brown because they wanted his system blown up and fixed. And then, 2.3 seasons in they want to fire a guy who did what they wanted, has great recruiting classes lined up, and who has proven that his system can work.
Any program that fires a coach needs to give the new coach 4 years of complete support. If it is bad enough to fire a winning coach, then you must believe that it is really, really bad. Give the new guy some time to fix what is really, really bad.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:11 am to hashtag
quote:
It isn't as different a situation as you think.
Texas lost 5 games by 20 points Macks last year
It was a little worse than our situation. Recruiting had started to take a significant dip as well if I'm not mistaken.
This post was edited on 10/3/16 at 10:13 am
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:13 am to hashtag
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I wouldn't be talking about firing him before he even coached his 3rd game in the 3rd season.
I agree with you there. Don't know how Texas could have allowed this to leak. Watch the players mail it in for the rest of the season.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:15 am to Rhio
quote:i don't care about that. Tom Herman isn't a guarantee to be successful at a major program.
I know you guys keep making these topics hoping that Texas will keep Strong so we can get Herman.
A coach should have 3 full seasons. By then you know if the program is trending up or down, dumpster fire or not.
My worry is that LSU fans will expect a new coach to win a NC in 3 years and they'll want to fire him if he doesn't. Then it starts a bad precedent and you have a tough time hiring a respectable coach. And, a lot of folks at Texas never supported Charlie Strong 100%. I don't want to see that at LSU. I'd like to see people buy in, support the program, and give the new coach 4 years to prove himself.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:15 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
if Tom Herman wasn't fixing to leave for a spot where he's going to stay for another 5 years strong would most likely get more time.
getting the top guy is larger a matter of timing.
THAT GUY might not be available next year.
it's a smart move by texas.
getting the top guy is larger a matter of timing.
THAT GUY might not be available next year.
it's a smart move by texas.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:22 am to LSUFreek
That's great
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:23 am to stephendomalley
quote:what if they hire Tom Herman and he struggles through 2 season? What if he decides to change the entire culture and has to clean house like Strong has done? Are they gonna fire him in 2.5 years because [insert name of newest young hot commodity here] is about to leave [insert mid-major] which he turned around in only 1 year?
getting the top guy is larger a matter of timing.
THAT GUY might not be available next year.
it's a smart move by texas.
The problem is that it creates a coaching culture of uncertainty and unrealistic expectations. They have the right to do whatever. But if you leak that you are firing your coach after 2.3 years and then the next hire doesn't work out, you have set your program back for a long, long time.
On the other hand if you give Strong 4 full years, then you have 2 positives:
1. Everyone knows you gave him a fair shot without undercutting him with threats of firing him.
2. He's loaded the team with top 10 recruiting classes for the next coach.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:31 am to LSUFreek
One of the greatest GIFs ever.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:38 am to hashtag
LSU gave Stovall, Archer, Hallman, and Dinardo four years each. LSU is getting flack from the media as not being loyal to the coach. What are the odds they don't give UT half the negative publicity.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:41 am to Adajax
If there wasnt a Tom Herman, Charlie would get another yr.
Their feet are to the coals, they gotta move fast before he's gone.
Their feet are to the coals, they gotta move fast before he's gone.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:42 am to Adajax
quote:yep. and it isn't just giving a coach 4 years. It is having everyone buy in for 4 years. You've got to have boosters buy in, even if the guy wasn't their 1st, 2nd, or 3rd coach. You need the fans to pack the stadiums.
LSU gave Stovall, Archer, Hallman, and Dinardo four years each. LSU is getting flack from the media as not being loyal to the coach. What are the odds they don't give UT half the negative publicity.
Texas sabotaged Charlie Strong before he stepped on campus because everyone didn't buy in.
By the same token, Joe Alleva sabotaged Les Miles when he ran off Chavis and essentially let everyone in on the little secret that he didn't like Miles and wanted him gone.
When a man is your coach, you've got to support him 100%. If you can't do that, then you won't have long-term sustained success.
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