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re: What does CEO have to do for you to be okay with him over Herman?
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:31 pm to BayouCowboy
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:31 pm to BayouCowboy
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Beating Ole Miss, Arky, UF and a close game to Bama even with a loss would earn my support.
So all he needs to do is win 3 games we'll most likely be favored in to begin with?
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Oh yeah, I forgot. It's not what he does here that counts. He has to go somewhere else and prove that he can do here what he may have already done here (win games).
He has to prove that he can build and sustain a program, what if half of our current coaches decide to leave if Coach O gets the job? He hasn't shown he's able to get the right staff in place. Only that he's able to perform well with what he's given. What if he's not given anything and has to start from scratch? We already know the answers to that question from his previous HC experience. Maybe he's changed maybe he hasn't, after this past off-season with Les, I've learned to not take anything a HC says regarding change at face-value.
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:31 pm to 7nette
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He has to prove that he can build and sustain a program
Miles couldnt and didnt...and we hired him. then kept him for a decade.
why are the rules changing now?
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:36 pm to BayouCowboy
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So if he won out on what is the toughest remaining 5 games in college football according to the ESPN power index he still doesn't deserve to be considered? Do those not count on his resume? Throw in an SECCG win and bowl or playoff win?
That would be a 15-2 record in his last 17 games as a HC of 2 power conference teams.
Oh yeah, I forgot. It's not what he does here that counts. He has to go somewhere else and prove that he can do here what he may have already done here (win games).
Again, for the fiftieth time, LSU and USC are not his programs.
He didn't hire these coaches, he didn't pick these players, and he didn't put this system in place.
He is a great cheerleader, motivator, and recruiter. He is a perfect interim coach. The one time he ever had the chance to build and maintain his own program was at Ole Miss.
At Ole Miss he got progressively worse all 3 years as it became more "his program". His third year, when it was completely his program, they went 0-8 in the SEC for the first time since 1982. Both his predecessor and successor were far better than him. He had a total lack on institutional control and was perhaps the worst gameday coach I've ever seen.
History is filled with guys who were solid interim coaches and were terrible head coaches.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:36 pm to TriangleTiger2003
For me BeBe would at least have to go 4-2 and the losses would have to be competitive. We would absolutely have to beat Ole Piss and UF if he loses to either one he is done in my mind. But it is more than just record it is how the team plays for him and how he has adjusted from his Ole Piss days.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:39 pm to CptBengal
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Miles couldnt and didnt...and we hired him. then kept him for a decade.
why are the rules changing now?
Miles was much better than his predecessor.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:41 pm to CptBengal
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Miles couldnt and didnt...and we hired him.
28-21 isn't taking the world by storm but it's a frickton better than 10-25.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:41 pm to Goldrush25
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Since that's not going to happen, I'll say that he deserves serious consideration if he wins the NC. That's a feather in his cap that very few coaches have, although there's still the caveat that he did it with someone else's team. My objections to Coach O are based on realistic outcomes, not pie-in-the-sky, virtually impossible outcomes
But there's never been a question about his ability to recruit. It's his ability to coach. If he wins out he proved he can coach. Also, if you say it's not going to happen then the question is why? Is it because the team does not have the talent? Is the schedule too tough? Could Herman or Jimbo walk in and run the table? If not, then why does O have to do it? I thought bottom line was wins and results. I believe Bill Parcells was the one that said what matters is not what you did, it's what you're doing now.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:51 pm to BayouCowboy
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But there's never been a question about his ability to recruit. It's his ability to coach. If he wins out he proved he can coach. Also, if you say it's not going to happen then the question is why? Is it because the team does not have the talent? Is the schedule too tough? Could Herman or Jimbo walk in and run the table? If not, then why does O have to do it? I thought bottom line was wins and results. I believe Bill Parcells was the one that said what matters is not what you did, it's what you're doing now.
There's a difference between being able to get almost anyone you want and knowing what type of players can build a program. Coach O is a weapon on the recruiting grounds, but I suspect he needs to be guided by a coach with a vision as to who will best help the program.
He had the same recruiting ability at OM and they got progressively worse as more of his recruits began to play. A team doesn't get that bad because of one failure, they're that bad because of multiple systemic failures. I have no doubt he recruited guys with talent but his accumulation of talent wasn't in service of any grand strategy, because he doesn't have a strategy or philosophy.
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Is it because the team does not have the talent? Is the schedule too tough?
Yes. When the talent of our opposition becomes somewhat equal (as it certainly will with Bama) I believe Coach O's limitations will illuminate and we won't being having these conversations about whether he'll be the permanent coach or not.
This post was edited on 10/20/16 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:54 pm to BayouCowboy
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If he wins out he proved he can coach.
If he wins out it proves he can get out of the way of coaches and players hand selected by Les Miles in a program built and maintained by Les Miles.
There is a ton of stuff that goes into sustaining success in a major program. He has had that responsibility once and it was an historic disaster.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 2:28 pm to spiderman
Come on man you know why. we feel like we have a say so on who the next HC will be.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 2:52 pm to 7nette
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He has to prove that he can build and sustain a program, what if half of our current coaches decide to leave if Coach O gets the job? He hasn't shown he's able to get the right staff in place. Only that he's able to perform well with what he's given. What if he's not given anything and has to start from scratch? We already know the answers to that question from his previous HC experience. Maybe he's changed maybe he hasn't, after this past off-season with Les, I've learned to not take anything a HC says regarding change at face-value.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 2:53 pm to TriangleTiger2003
You didn't fire Les to hire O.
Even if O sweeps the schedule with 20 point wins every week, Herman or Jimbo should get the nod.
In that scenario, I'd still probably go with Fleck or Fedora.
After that, stick with O -- although he'd probably be irate that he was made option 5.
Even if O sweeps the schedule with 20 point wins every week, Herman or Jimbo should get the nod.
In that scenario, I'd still probably go with Fleck or Fedora.
After that, stick with O -- although he'd probably be irate that he was made option 5.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 2:54 pm to Bunk Moreland
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After that, stick with O -- although he'd probably be irate that he was made option 5
If by some unfortunate fluke he becomes HC he should thank his lucky stars.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 5:47 pm to 7nette
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He has to prove that he can build and sustain a program
This x 1000000000
Posted on 10/20/16 at 10:32 pm to TriangleTiger2003
If Orgeron wins out (regular season, SEC Championship, and Sugar Bowl), beats Bama the heck out of Bama, and signs Marvin Wilson to go along with Chris Allen and flipping Moses, I'd be good with making him head coach even if Herman wants the job
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:08 pm to spiderman
Simmer down. His resume at LSU has been phenomenal. He is an amazing recruiter.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:19 pm to MtgUnderwriter
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Simmer down. His resume at LSU has been phenomenal. He is an amazing recruiter.
Phenomenal might be a bit of a stretch. He's only coached 3 games and beat mizzou, usm, and ole miss. It's a good start, but phenomenal is stretching it. He is an amazing recruiter, but so are many other potential candidates.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:29 pm to SportTiger1
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O would have to kill Tom Herman before i would hire him over tom herman.
And even then, it would be tough.
Add Zombie Herman to the list!
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What does CEO have to do for you to be okay with him over Herman?
Build and sustain a different program over multiple years. Then I'll consider him. He should not get consideration based on what he does with this team.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:42 pm to TriangleTiger2003
quote:Don't lose to SMU by 20 points. That'd be a good start.
What does CEO have to do for you to be okay with him over Herman?
frick Herman.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:26 am to Laman1978
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Don't lose to SMU by 20 points. That'd be a good start.
frick Herman.
Lmao you really want to look at some of O's losses while coaching an SEC school? We could throw wyoming and wake Forrest up for startes. If this is your logic then best to say frick Orgeron as well.
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