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re: Tom Herman's UT recruiting efforts mediocre at best so far
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:48 pm to fierysnowman
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:48 pm to fierysnowman
Going back to Darrel Royal days and persistent over following decades, there is a perception among high schools and the black community that Texas is a racist school. This always perplexed me some since Austin is so liberal and Berkley South.
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Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:50 pm to rjokerlsu
This is actually more critical than people think. Strong was on the rise in recruiting, and his first year was a bad year,and the last two his best talent were underclassmen. Granted Texas is racist and will give Herman a very supportive 4 years instead of begrudgingly giving him 3 years.
This post was edited on 12/21/16 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:52 pm to blzr
Yep, we hired O and our class is kicking both Texas and Auburns arse. You are underestimating our Coon arse.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:52 pm to Rhio
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He needs a year or so to rebuild relationships with those all powerful Texas HS coaches that Charlie apparently pissed off
Sounds like rumor,because his last two recruiting cycles were good.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 1:16 pm to Tiger Ree
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Tom Herman is the best thing to happen to humanity since sliced bread and Nick Saban. He can't even get players who had already committed to him at Houston? What happened?
This post was edited on 12/24/16 at 8:56 am
Posted on 12/21/16 at 1:44 pm to H-Town Tiger
Well read and refute this strawman. These are quotes from Texas Longhorn fans:
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=67706023&s=2&p=67693498#67706023
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=67706215&s=2&p=67693498#67706215
Can't wait to see what you will tell them.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=67706023&s=2&p=67693498#67706023
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=67706215&s=2&p=67693498#67706215
Can't wait to see what you will tell them.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 6:22 pm to Tiger Ree
Strong had good classes coming in. They were definitely better than 50. The most defining may be Houston having a way better class right now. If it was all Herman wouldn't those players move on to Texas?
Posted on 12/21/16 at 10:02 pm to rjokerlsu
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So what is up?
New coaching hire always sees a slip in recruiting. Winning cures that.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 2:32 am to Tiger Ree
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He can't even get players who had already committed to him at Houston? What happened?
It's not his fault. According to you, in another thread, it's on the position coach or coordinator to recruit. Can't blame Herman.
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Posted by Tiger Ree on 12/21/16 at 11:50 am to Clockwatcher68
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Clock: But pleading "he's new" to excuse the losses of two blue chip Baton Rouge linebackers is ridiculous. Putting that in a sig-quote, despite Alleva contradicting that idea when explaining WHY HE HIRED O, is ignorant
Ree: Linebackers? Wouldn't that be a Dave Aranda miss? He is the linebackers coach and has been at LSU for a full year. If he can't close the deal with two Baton Rouge linebackers whose fault is it?
Fire Aranda or possibly sign Moses and Allen? The decision has been made and it is a damn good one and a win for LSU.
Then you go on to reply to my comment about it falling on both O and the position coaches with this:
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Posted by Tiger Ree on 12/21/16 at 12:33 pm to Tiger Tracker
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Tracker: You have said before how great of a recruiter O is
Ree: Never said that. Are you making shite up again? Make BS statements and argue against your BS? WTF?
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Tracker: Yes and no. It's Aranda's specialty but doesn't mean that O, as recruiting coordinator and defensive position coach, had no part in recruiting these kids.
Ree: But the position coach wouldn't have the most say and do the most recruiting?
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Tracker: Not saying it was all O's fault, but if you're head of recruiting and a defensive position coach you should take some blame when top defensive recruits leave for other schools. Otherwise, what's the point of being "head of recruiting".
Ree: Dameyune Craig is the recruiting coordinator. I wonder as you do. what is the point of have a DC and RC if they can't sign good players. Fire both of them !!!
So we can't blame Orgeron for missing out on some recruits (even though he's been recruiting coordinator at LSU for a year now), but we can blame Herman after he moved schools and has been there a month (without a full staff in place)?
Maybe, it's because you think Orgeron is just not a good recruiter? You know, since you never said he was a good recruiter (even though you did).
I truly don't understand, according to a sub section of our fanbase, how some responsibilities apply to other coaches but not O, and vice versa.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 2:47 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:10 am to Tiger Ree
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Well read and refute this strawman.
That's not the strawman, but not surprised you don't know what that means
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Can't wait to see what you will tell them.
What I'd tell them is what i'd tell any fanbase that hired a new coach from outside the program. The first class will be down because the coach has only a month or 2 to close it out, since he's also still filling out a staff. His DC was coaching UH this past Saturday and was a candidate for that job up to a week and a half ago.
UT did not have a big class before Herman got there. If they lost multiple commits i could see some concern. But you can not judge him as a recruiter at UT until the 2018 class.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:14 am to Cjscore
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trong had good classes coming in. They were definitely better than 50
Those were finalized classes, they did not have a ton of commits before he was fired and iirc did not have a top 50 class at this time a year ago. They finished strong (no pun intended) but were not there in Dec.
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The most defining may be Houston having a way better class right now. If it was all Herman wouldn't those players move on to Texas?
No, for starters most of those kids are probably not takes for UT. They have 16 3* guys.
ETA: For the record per the 247 composite index, UT has 9 commits and a class score of 167.20 which puts them at 47. UH has 18 commits and a score of 162.64 for a national rank of 52. UH recruits are not Texas caliber.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 10:21 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:21 am to Tiger Tracker
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He can't even get players who had already committed to him at Houston? What happened?
another strawman from Ree shocker.
Do you know for a fact he's tried to flip them? No, you don't but you make shite up to further your Herman bashing agenda.
UH has 18 commits, 16 3* and 2 other. That's a solid class for UH, but not Texas caliber (this is a point that sails over your head).
Klavion Chassion is a big time OLB/DE from the Houston area. LSU has been on him for a while, he is now considered by many to be a Texas lean. He liked UH because of Herman but probably would not have signed there.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:20 am to swlaLSUfan
Really the only thing that held strong back was time. He kicked many players off the team his first year and then recruited well for 2 years. Texas team this past year was very young and people will think Herman is a savior right off the bat cause they will win more games quickly because players are coming of age. Truly Herman has a great situation at UT with what is left when he first got there and expectations
Posted on 12/22/16 at 2:21 pm to Tiger Tracker
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Tiger Tracker
great expose' of his blatant hypocrisy.
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