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The Panthers beat writer perspective on Joe Brady
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:05 pm
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Interesting piece of it:
I think he's a good football coach, I really do. He's a bright offensive mind but he's very young. Sometimes young coaches that are extremely smart, outsmart themselves. They play too much into the analytics, they're super conservative and run a vanilla offense. There's nothing complex about Brady's scheme. It's very basic, which is why he struggled to have positive results. In this league, you can't be predictable. You have to throw in a bunch of motions, double moves, RPO's, rub routes, and present the defense with some eye candy pre-snap. From what I can tell, 90% of the motions are just to expose if the defense is in man or zone coverage. There are very few motions into routes, blocks, or once again, eye candy. Getting the eyes of the defense to have their eyes in the wrong place could be the difference between a two-yard gain or a 20-yard gain.
Interesting piece of it:
I think he's a good football coach, I really do. He's a bright offensive mind but he's very young. Sometimes young coaches that are extremely smart, outsmart themselves. They play too much into the analytics, they're super conservative and run a vanilla offense. There's nothing complex about Brady's scheme. It's very basic, which is why he struggled to have positive results. In this league, you can't be predictable. You have to throw in a bunch of motions, double moves, RPO's, rub routes, and present the defense with some eye candy pre-snap. From what I can tell, 90% of the motions are just to expose if the defense is in man or zone coverage. There are very few motions into routes, blocks, or once again, eye candy. Getting the eyes of the defense to have their eyes in the wrong place could be the difference between a two-yard gain or a 20-yard gain.
This post was edited on 12/7/21 at 3:06 pm
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Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:07 pm to nicholastiger
Brady could probably learn a lot from Brian Kelly, just like he learned a lot from Payton and Ensminger.
I'm not saying he's my guy for offensive coordinator. But I would say he's acceptable.
I'm not saying he's my guy for offensive coordinator. But I would say he's acceptable.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:10 pm to nicholastiger
TL;DR version:
The writer thinks he's a good football coach, but that his scheme is currently too basic to be successful in the NFL. Because of this, and the real likelihood that him and Matt Rhule were never really on the same page, the divorce was inevitable.
In other words, Brady still has a promising future, but he needs more experience.
The writer thinks he's a good football coach, but that his scheme is currently too basic to be successful in the NFL. Because of this, and the real likelihood that him and Matt Rhule were never really on the same page, the divorce was inevitable.
In other words, Brady still has a promising future, but he needs more experience.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:11 pm to nicholastiger
This has been relatively apparent all along.
Brady was never at any point running anything revolutionary or particularly exotic. It was a modern offense, undoubtedly, but as modern offenses go, it was pretty ordinary: Just putting talented players in position to win one-on-one matchups (which they did at an incredibly high rate in 2019).
Even in 2019, he wasn't really scheming up free yards or tricking defenses or coming at them with anything they didn't expect--he was just challenging the defense to win matchups. This *seemed* revolutionary for two reasons: (1) we'd never had a modern offense at LSU, and (2) we had insanely talented players running the scheme.
Bottom line: Joe Brady was great for what we needed in 2019, and maybe he will ultimately be great, but nothing that he's shown thus far in his career suggests that he is some type of brilliant offensive mind.
Brady was never at any point running anything revolutionary or particularly exotic. It was a modern offense, undoubtedly, but as modern offenses go, it was pretty ordinary: Just putting talented players in position to win one-on-one matchups (which they did at an incredibly high rate in 2019).
Even in 2019, he wasn't really scheming up free yards or tricking defenses or coming at them with anything they didn't expect--he was just challenging the defense to win matchups. This *seemed* revolutionary for two reasons: (1) we'd never had a modern offense at LSU, and (2) we had insanely talented players running the scheme.
Bottom line: Joe Brady was great for what we needed in 2019, and maybe he will ultimately be great, but nothing that he's shown thus far in his career suggests that he is some type of brilliant offensive mind.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:11 pm to macaoidh
Kelly just needs to pick Coach E’s brain about Brady. E probably knows more about Brady than anyone outside of Rhule.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:11 pm to nicholastiger
quote:
I think he's a good football coach, I really do. He's a bright offensive mind but he's very young. Sometimes young coaches that are extremely smart, outsmart themselves. They play too much into the analytics, they're super conservative and run a vanilla offense. There's nothing complex about Brady's scheme. It's very basic, which is why he struggled to have positive results. In this league, you can't be predictable. You have to throw in a bunch of motions, double moves, RPO's, rub routes, and present the defense with some eye candy pre-snap. From what I can tell, 90% of the motions are just to expose if the defense is in man or zone coverage. There are very few motions into routes, blocks, or once again, eye candy. Getting the eyes of the defense to have their eyes in the wrong place could be the difference between a two-yard gain or a 20-yard gain.
so he pretty much ran same offense in carolina he ran at LSU cause thats what we did. Motion to identify coeverage and adjust the routes to beat it. nothing fancy just attacking a weakness over and over.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:12 pm to nicholastiger
i can’t wait for the OC to be hired and it not be Brady so these pathetic threads can stop.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:12 pm to nicholastiger
Anything about the organization misplaying their QB room so poorly that they brought back and immediately started mummy Cam Newton?
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:13 pm to nicholastiger
quote:
hey play too much into the analytics, they're super conservative and run a vanilla offense. There's nothing complex about Brady's scheme. It's very basic, which is why he struggled to have positive results.
IMO he was in over his head and coached scared. He was too unsure of himself to really do what he wanted to do. He had a meteoric rise from what amounted to an analyst in the NFL to coordinator in 2 years. He wasn't ready for the job and it showed.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:13 pm to nicholastiger
The writer would love Matt Canada
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:15 pm to lsu777
What made that LSU offense so successful is that they never needed to change personnel
That made it so unpredictable
You had a QB that could read and make the right decisions 95% of the time
You had a rb that could get you the tough yards and also was a threat out of the backfield, once he left you didn't have that skill set
You had three legit NFL WR's on the roster
You had a very athletic TE
That made it so unpredictable
You had a QB that could read and make the right decisions 95% of the time
You had a rb that could get you the tough yards and also was a threat out of the backfield, once he left you didn't have that skill set
You had three legit NFL WR's on the roster
You had a very athletic TE
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:15 pm to nicholastiger
quote:
throw in a bunch of motions
like matt canada
to be fair we ran SOME motions at LSU under brady.
quote:
RPO's, rub route
we did both at LSU. remember the rub route for a TD against UF at home? we ran plenty RPO with brady here. Did he forget all that at carolina? something smells fishy here.
quote:
some eye candy pre-snap
motions and maybe shifts. the stuff morons here called gimmicks .
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:16 pm to lsu777
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Motion to identify coeverage and adjust the routes to beat it.
You can win like that with Drew Brees and BDJ, you can't win like that with Cam Newton.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:18 pm to nicholastiger
quote:
ou have to throw in a bunch of motions, double moves, RPO's, rub routes, and present the defense with some eye candy pre-snap.
Pretty much what Shanahan, McVay and Payton do. Not necessarily RPOs, but tons of formations and motions. The top guys motion and formation you to death.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:19 pm to nicholastiger
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What made that LSU offense so successful is that they never needed to change personnel
That made it so unpredictable
true. so you never could key on a player in a certain down or distance. plus we used whole field. plenty RPO, zone read, QB draws. some WR screens. plenty inside and outside zone runs. motions helps you get off line clean plus target mismatches and can help determine whether man or zone defense. we ran lots of bunch which helped get off line clean like stack formations although we did not run stack.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:20 pm to WicKed WayZ
shite forgot to add we even had choice routes for some of our receivers. remember when JJ ran those? either a dig or an out based on his leverage on the defender?
i mean we ran all kinds of shite here with brady.
i doubt he forgot how to run that in charlotte
i mean we ran all kinds of shite here with brady.
i doubt he forgot how to run that in charlotte
This post was edited on 12/7/21 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:21 pm to nicholastiger
Canada: motions are all eye Candy
Brady: motions aren’t eye Candy enough
As to the Op: Brady’s offense was very “collegey”’in a few ways.
The HUNh, the streamlined approach, the limited personal groupings (only really see that with the Rams)
100% shotgun.
Brady: motions aren’t eye Candy enough
As to the Op: Brady’s offense was very “collegey”’in a few ways.
The HUNh, the streamlined approach, the limited personal groupings (only really see that with the Rams)
100% shotgun.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:21 pm to nicholastiger
He never had a QB in Carolina
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:23 pm to nicholastiger
quote:
They play too much into the analytics, they're super conservative and run a vanilla offense. There's nothing complex about Brady's scheme. It's very basic, which is why he struggled to have positive results. In this league, you can't be predictable.
Schuyler Callihan definitely knows offense.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:24 pm to nicholastiger
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From what I can tell, 90% of the motions are just to expose if the defense is in man or zone coverage.
Exactly correct
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