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Say O gets the job, what happens when Aranda and Kiffen leave?

Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:15 pm
Posted by SpiderY2Bannana
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
474 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:15 pm
Assuming those are the two coordinators, that's my primary concern. Should we have confidence that Orgeron is going to bring in two more high quality coordinators?

I don't know the answer, but it is a very important question.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66362 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:18 pm to
Well Kiffin is never coming here

But we try and hire good Coordinators and if we get a Crowton or a Steele we fricking suck till we fire them.

Rinse repeat
Posted by sheek
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Sep 2007
43891 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:20 pm to
What happens when you hire a coach no top P5 team wants, always depending on others to prop up the HC. This is why our rivals overwhelmingly are in favor of LSU hiring O. Herman and fisher just need Aranda.
This post was edited on 11/18/16 at 4:25 pm
Posted by lsufanz
NOLA
Member since Dec 2008
4726 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:22 pm to
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Assuming those are the two coordinators,
A big assumption that I don't think either of us are comfortable with.

quote:

Should we have confidence that Orgeron is going to bring in two more high quality coordinators?
It's possible given this idea that LSU should pay well above market for the coordinators with the money saved by having CEO as HC. If not, however, the program could nosedive quickly and this assumes that CEO can truly handle the HC duties.
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35254 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:24 pm to
Kiffin?

He makes more at Alabama than Aranda makes here. What the hell makes you people think Kiffin would even consider coming here?
Posted by dandan
Member since Nov 2007
4341 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:26 pm to
Yep that is one of my main issues with hiring a CEO type coach. You are always needy of 2 strong coordinators on both sides of the ball. Even if you can continue to hire strong replacements there are transition issues.

Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35254 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:31 pm to
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Yep that is one of my main issues with hiring a CEO type coach. You are always needy of 2 strong coordinators on both sides of the ball. Even if you can continue to hire strong replacements there are transition issues.
And O had a good offensive staff at Ole Miss. Dan Werner, Hugh Freeze, Frank Wilson, and the team still sucked. That's scary thought considering everyone keeps saying that O would be a great choice with a good offensive staff. He's had one before and it didn't help him succeed.
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
29126 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:33 pm to
The O boys act like superstar coordinators grow on trees.
Posted by 7nette
Member since Nov 2015
4909 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:33 pm to
we're not even sure Aranda will want to coach under O.
Posted by 1999
Where I be
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29126 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:36 pm to
exactly. for all we know herman gets the texas job then recruits his old roommate. then all you're left is coach fricking o.
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35254 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:38 pm to
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exactly. for all we know herman gets the texas job then recruits his old roommate. then all you're left is coach fricking o.

If their theory on Kiffin coming here has any baring, say goodbye to Aranda. He's gone.
This post was edited on 11/18/16 at 7:25 pm
Posted by TigerDat
Member since Aug 2010
7628 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:41 pm to
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for all we know herman gets the texas job then recruits his old roommate.



Then again the Rant says no matter how good of friends O and Kiffin are it won't happen but refuse to use the same logic for Aranda and Herman.
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35254 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:43 pm to
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Then again the Rant says no matter how good of friends O and Kiffin are it won't happen but refuse to use the same logic for Aranda and Herman.
Aranda's not going anywhere, and neither is Kiffin. I've always said that as long as Aranda is a DC, he will more than likely be here. Pay attention.
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
4947 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 5:20 pm to
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Say O gets the job, what happens when Aranda and Kiffen leave?Assuming those are the two coordinators, that's my primary concern. Should we have confidence that Orgeron is going to bring in two more high quality coordinators? I don't know the answer, but it is a very important question.


The same thing that happened when a coordinator left for the last 12 seasons. Oh wait, aside from Chavis, none did... White people problems
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35254 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 5:31 pm to
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The same thing that happened when a coordinator left for the last 12 seasons. Oh wait, aside from Chavis, none did... White people problems

I hope if O get's the job that he can continue to bring in good coordinators. But I'm worried about the fact that he had a good offensive staff at Ole Miss and they still sucked. If you're not at least a little bit worried about that, you probably should be. There is barely anything that Orgeron has done over his career that you can say he's very likely to be successful at other than recruiting and coaching a dline. And his recruiting will only be great as long as he's winning. If that doesn't bother you just a little bit, I don't know what to tell you...
This post was edited on 11/18/16 at 5:33 pm
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
4947 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 5:40 pm to
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problems I hope if O get's the job that he can continue to bring in good coordinators. But I'm worried about the fact that he had a good offensive staff at Ole Miss and they still sucked. If you're not at least a little bit worried about that, you probably should be. There is barely anything that Orgeron has done over his career that you can say he's very likely to be successful at other than recruiting and coaching a dline. And his recruiting will only be great as long as he's winning. If that doesn't bother you just a little bit, I don't know what to tell you...



That's all I'm asking for. Just don't sound ignorant. Out of all the Anit-O sentiment on this site, this argument has the absolute most validity. You're right and it needs to be a concern if we hire O. I personally think O is a last resort for Alleva, a fall back plan after Herman, Fisher, etc turns us down. If it does fall to him, my "eye test" from this year is what makes me think he will be able to handle the LSU job.
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
35254 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 5:40 pm to
Fair enough.
Posted by lurkr
Member since Jan 2008
12365 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:06 pm to
You take the fat checkbook and go hire the top coordinators.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7489 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:58 pm to
quote:

Oh wait, aside from Chavis, none did...


how was there an opening for Chavis?
how was there an opening for Aranda?
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26615 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 10:53 pm to
A couple of things I laugh at with all the "O for HC complete nonsense"

1. Nobody can name a pro style OC that realistically would come here. And not just pro style, he HAS TO have consistent COLLEGE QB development. Developing QBs in the NFL doesn't show me shite, ask Cam Cameron. Then when you lose him, you have to find another, and another, etc. Do you realize how hard it is to find a pro style O coordinator that has consistent college QB development? There are head coaches that could run it, but it's a dying college offense, that new OCs aren't really messing with.

2. Why is O not being mentioned for a couple HC jobs around the country? The man couldn't get an HC job after his USC stint, couldn't get a job last year although he was looking at some after only a year after being hired by LSU (how loyal is that my LSU/Louisiana people). We, well not me, are the only ones lobbying for him. Doesn't that sound not right? No other big program, or even average program, has even mentioned being legit interested in him this year.

This whole wanting the interim because he's cajun and can recruit is so damn Louisiana it's funny, and sad. The people of this state seem to love being mediocre that they would keep a dinosaur when he should have been gone last year, and hire the F-ing 55 year old DL coach who has only ever been successful as a HC with somebody else's ridiculously talented and experienced roster and staff as an interim. It seems that Aranda and 2 extremely ridiculous RBs are enough to fool thousands of people into thinking that Ed O is actually a good HC candidate.
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