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re: Newly Hired HC and recruiting
Posted on 12/19/16 at 11:11 am to MTB
Posted on 12/19/16 at 11:11 am to MTB
Part of hiring O was continuity. The idea that nothing is broken - just stay the course and improve a bit offensively. Part of that is no drop in recruiting - even in year 1.
That being said. LSU is shaping up to have a very, very good recruiting class this year.
That being said. LSU is shaping up to have a very, very good recruiting class this year.
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Posted on 12/19/16 at 11:13 am to airfernando
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Has Alleva said that or is it just your assumption?
Alleva stated that "continuity" was one of the main reasons to retain O
Posted on 12/19/16 at 11:41 am to Plankton
Thread about recruiting.
Uses Les Miles as an example of recruiting not going in the right direction.
Does not compute.
Uses Les Miles as an example of recruiting not going in the right direction.
Does not compute.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 12:15 pm to MTB
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Some background, I have been involved with college football recruiting as a profession since 2003. This post is to clarify some extremely ignorant misconceptions about "recruiting" HS athletes. To expect a newly hired HC (O, Herman, Taggart, etc) to be hired in Nov/Dec and then have a sweeping haul of signees by Feb is unrealistic. Recruiting of players, especially top tier talent to P5 schools, begins as early as MS (Moses) and as late as Junior year of HS. NOT SENIOR YEAR. Doesn't matter the hype of the coach or the "history" of the program on his business card, reruits have years of built in relationships with other coaches/schools. You are expecting a HS senior, who has put in years of Offciial and Unoffcial visits, hundreds of coaches visits/phone calls/social media DM, etc to just change his mind in a 2 month window? Based on what???
How many of those other schools hired a Head Coach that came from the previous staff and was the recruiting coordinator the previous year? The recruiting coordinator that was already recruiting those kids and didn't have to develop a new relationship with any of the recruits?
Posted on 12/19/16 at 12:53 pm to tigerwith3
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Well O has been the recruiting coordinator for the past 2 years
Except he was only recruiting coordinator this year and had to hand that off to Craig once he took over as interim head coach.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 3:02 pm to Salmon
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but O was hired for continuity in recruiting, he has been the recruiting coordinator for the past 2 years, the kids know him
one of the biggest selling points for O was that he could/would keep this class together
This x1000
This isn't like, nor was it sold to fans, a typical hire. So we shouldn't expect typical results in recruiting
If we lose recruits. Then we were lied to
If we lose recruits. Then we should have gone with a proven coach
Posted on 12/19/16 at 3:06 pm to League Champs
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This x1000
This isn't like, nor was it sold to fans, a typical hire. So we shouldn't expect typical results in recruiting
If we lose recruits. Then we were lied to
If we lose recruits. Then we should have gone with a proven coach
24/7 recruiting rankings as of 3:06 pm 12/19/2016
1 Alabama Total: 25 (Avg: 92.65)
2 Ohio State Total: 17 (Avg: 95.72)
3 Georgia Total: 19 (Avg: 93.42)
4 Michigan Total: 23 (Avg: 90.40)
5 LSU Total: 20 (Avg: 90.49)
Posted on 12/19/16 at 3:22 pm to tigerwith3
Do you remember Miles' first recruiting class as the LSU HC?
This post was edited on 12/19/16 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 12/19/16 at 3:28 pm to MTB
You act like this is O's first year recruiting at LSU. Don't try to construct him an excuse for any drop off on NSD.
He was hired for continuity.
Thankfully, so far that appears to be the case in recruiting, but waiting so long to hire the OC could have easily lost some recruits.
He was hired for continuity.
Thankfully, so far that appears to be the case in recruiting, but waiting so long to hire the OC could have easily lost some recruits.
This post was edited on 12/19/16 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 12/19/16 at 3:30 pm to bilbo72
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quote:Well O has been the recruiting coordinator for the past 2 years
Except he was only recruiting coordinator this year and had to hand that off to Craig once he took over as interim head coach.
Why are people keep saying this? Coach O became the recruiting coord when Wilson left Jan 2016.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:20 pm to Plankton
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in reality any coach other than Les Miles is a step in the right direction
I don't think thats true
you don't think there is a coach out there who could lose at LSU?
YOu think we are automatically gifted wins?
I am not saying O isn't a step in the right direction (I think he can be what we hoped Les Miles woudl become) but there are coaches out there worse than Miles.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:23 pm to Salmon
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O doesn't really get the same excuses that other coaches coming in would
Man it was a miracle. Indeed, a freaking act of God, that Coach O got the three recruits he got this week. His recruiting prowess surely didn't have anything to do with it. It was just a stroke of good luck, that's all.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:29 pm to Salmon
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and therein lies the problem with O, who has no identity as far as offense or defense
Man...you must have been sicken this morning when you heard the news that Lowell Narcisse had resigned with LSU and ended his recruiting, as it couldn't be anymore obvious that you want Coach O to fail so bad that you can even taste it.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:37 pm to BayouCowboy
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We currently sit at 4th (247 rankings)with 7 spots to fill. 5 Star DT Marvin Wilson is currently trending heavily LSU (an Ed O - recruit). 5 Star WR Devonta Smith added LSU as his final visit. We just added the #1 JUCO WR last week.
So tell me again why the sky is falling?
What's our realistic odds of getting five star Cam Akers?
Meanwhile let those haters hate. Coach O loves being underestimated.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 5:31 pm to Salmon
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and therein lies the problem with O, who has no identity as far as offense or defense other teams can change OC/DC and the recruits still know what type of offense/defense they are likely to run because the HC has a certain identity
How does that differ from an offensive coach like Urban, who loses his DC? Or Saban losing his OC this year? Bc he is a defensive guy will his recruiting class fall apart? I don't think so.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 5:45 pm to beauxroux
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How does that differ from an offensive coach like Urban, who loses his DC? Or Saban losing his OC this year? Bc he is a defensive guy will his recruiting class fall apart? I don't think so.
He clearly means O's identity or system on both sides of the ball is likely to be tied to his coordinators, not just one like the coaches mentioned.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 6:16 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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Do you remember Miles' first recruiting class as the LSU HC?
I do. He signed 13 players because that's what the roster allowed at that time. What does that have to do with O's first recruiting class, most of which miles brought in?
Posted on 12/19/16 at 9:38 pm to nerd guy
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How many of those other schools hired a Head Coach that came from the previous staff and was the recruiting coordinator the previous year? The recruiting coordinator that was already recruiting those kids and didn't have to develop a new relationship with any of the recruits?
Let's jump on this misconception. The title "recruiting coordinator" does not equate to one person on staff doing the majority of recruiting/relationship building. In most cases throughout the country, the RC is an administrative position. They do oversee program wide recruiting, but primarily from an organizational position. In some cases it is just an added titled/pay bump, especially now that power 5 programs have ever growing staffs of recruiting/scouting personnel. Think Austin Thomas, he pretty much handles the overall recruitment of LSU football.
Most signings/recruitments go this way. A player is identified by his area recruiter (example Bradley Dale Peveto in the Houston area) with school visits/HC recs/etc, that area coach brings back data (tape/measurements/gpa/etc) to the position coach and in some cases OC/DC Coordinators. If interested, an offer will be made and the area coach and/or position coach will then begin working on selling/building relationships. The RC will monitor this ongoing process and report to the HC and OC/DC how their big board is shaping up. This includes needs by positions, players who are easy sells or long shots, etc. The RC may have a hand on setting up OV or UV, but the majority of players expiernces on visits is handled by recruiting staffers and not a position coach preparing to coach a game.
TL;DR- recruiting coordinators is by in-large a title and they cannot logistically create relationships with every recruit offered.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 1:28 am to Plankton
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People are freaking out because we didn't get the guy we wanted, but in reality any coach other than Les Miles is a step in the right direction.
Yeah, look at the F-up UGA did hiring Smart. They will fire him and be looking for a new HC in 3 years.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 1:48 am to SamuelClemens
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Yeah, look at the F-up UGA did hiring Smart. They will fire him and be looking for a new HC in 3 years
Hmmmm...that one could go either way. He is either going to have UGA owning the East by 2018 or he will end up the next Muschamp during his time at UF or Butch Jones.
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